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Originally Posted by mshipmate
freedom, may I ask you a couple of questions regarding your quote above? What exactly do you mean by: "sit in the throne of Christ." And also "be perfected after they die"?
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Rev 3:21
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
I'm sorry freedom, but in my studies of the Word I find nothing to back up the above? Unless, again, I'm not understanding you?
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Is this the Scripture you're using for your next quote?
Re 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
If it is than you need to read that passage in the context it was written...
8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things
9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
See what that is saying? It's saying that just before Christ returns with His 'rewards' (which can be good or bad) he that is unjust/filthy can't quickly change into 'good' a minute before Christ returns. Why? It's too late then. The unjust person has to change BEFORE Christ returns or he will remain unjust and recieve his 'bad' reward at that moment i.e Christ's return. The just and unfiltly will, at the exact same moment recieve their 'good' rewards thus causing "the manifestation of the sons of God."
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This is not just written for the few that will be alive when Christ returns, it is written for all men and women that ever lived. It is explaining the sovreign ways of God.
This verse below is an eternal truth, it is for earth and the heavens.
2Cr 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
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That is a, for lack of a better way to put it, a bunch of bologna!
The is only one way to blaspheme the Holy Spirit and that is to hinder the Holy Spirit. If you take the word blashphemy back to it's 'prime' it means "to hinder." Do you know what that means to hinder the Holy Spirit? That means you won't let the Holy Spirit speak through you as here:
Mr 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
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This does not have to do with speech alone, it has to do with actions and deeds as well. If you go against the Holy Spirit upon receiving a fullness and "hinder" the direction or example or ways of God, it is a blasphemy. Clearly few have ever grown to this point of faith.
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In regards to you first remark I high-lighted. I say this. Enoch was taken by God. Elijah was taken up in a whirlwind ( a different subject for a different time), there is no record in the Bible of John's death, and Moses was buried on the Mt. by God.
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And if you read in Hebrews it says that Enoch did not taste of death, because he pleased God, and if you read the book of Enoch it explains how he returned to earth and raised up a righteous city that was also taken up into heaven and the Church of the firstborn.
Elijah and Moses appeared on the mount of transfiguration. The scripture regarding the death of Moses has a notation that says it is being interpretted that God buried Moses, no one ever found his body, yet he appeared in His glorified body in front of the 3 disciples and Jesus.
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The second remark high-lighted about Paul. This post is too long already to go into great detail, but Paul did not DIE when he was 'taken into the 3rd heaven ( also a different subject).
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I'm not speaking just of his heavenly experience. During his mission he was killed multiple times, and brought back to life.
godspeed,
freedom
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