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Sorry, but I cannot suscribe to the theory that ALL will eventually be saved. If that were the case, there would have been no reason for Jesus to suffer and die on the cross. True, it is God's desire that all be saved, but it is recorded over and over that that will not happen. Saying otherwise is twisting the scriptures to please our selves. I am sure it was God's desire that there would be no evil in the world, but there certainly is, and will continue to be until the end of time.
Hi Towhee, if Jesus had not suffered and died on the cross, how could anyone be saved? If a doctor discovers a cure for a disease that is able to cure everyone who has the disease and it eventually cures everyone, does this mean that there was no reason to discover the cure? Does success meant that there was no reason for the discovery of the cure? Jesus died for all men and gave His life as a ransom for all men. This means that salvation is for all men. He was sent to be the Savior of the world... the world. Because He saves the world by His death and resurrection means that there was no reason for Him to suffer and die? He has been made heir of all things. (Hebrews 1) There are very many scriptures which speak of God's eventual restoration of all to Himself. I believe that evil is a tool that God uses for His own purposes. Without the experience of evil, we would not know what good is or even choose good. All is out of God. (Romans 11:36) God bless.
Last edited by ShanaBrown; 05-07-2009 at 06:32 PM..
He will separate the wheat from the chaff .......He will gather and store the grain in His barn and burn the chaff with unquenchable fire....He will separate the sheep from the goats...............Turn to the Lord TODAY....... without delay.....repent of sin and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for your salvation........
He will separate the wheat from the chaff .......He will gather and store the grain in His barn and burn the chaff with unquenchable fire....He will separate the sheep from the goats...............Turn to the Lord TODAY....... without delay.....repent of sin and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for your salvation........
Vessif no one is saying people do not need to repent and beleive on Jesus Christ, if you have been paying attention to what we have been saying this would be clear, but many don't want to hear and therefore fool themselves into beleiving those who teach the restitution of all things are saying something against the scriptures.
Many of us know it is a hard thing to come out from under the doctrine of men that the churches teach in the pulpit today, but if your heart is open to explore the scriptures the Lord will open them up to you in a whole new way.
A way that shows God is not a failure, a way that shows Christ did not die in vain for the WHOLE WORLD, a way that shows the purpose of the first fruits, a way that lifts Jesus up that all mankind will come unto Him, a way that shows forth His love for all mankind, a way when there seems no other way, a way out of death, a way unto life, etc.
Vessif no one is saying people do not need to repent and beleive on Jesus Christ, if you have been paying attention to what we have been saying this would be clear, but many don't want to hear and therefore fool themselves into beleiving those who teach the restitution of all things are saying something against the scriptures.
Many of us know it is a hard thing to come out from under the doctrine of men that the churches teach in the pulpit today, but if your heart is open to explore the scriptures the Lord will open them up to you in a whole new way.
A way that shows God is not a failure, a way that shows Christ did not die in vain for the WHOLE WORLD, a way that shows the purpose of the first fruits, a way that lifts Jesus up that all mankind will come unto Him, a way that shows forth His love for all mankind, a way when there seems no other way, a way out of death, a way unto life, etc.
God bless
Yes this exactly what you (meaning Universalism) are saying, you say everyone gets saved no matter what. You are the one who has been fooled into believing the restitution of all is Biblical, it's not. Believing in eternal hell does make God a failure and certainly does mean Jesus died in vain. If we deny Him now, He will not acknowledge us later.
Yes this exactly what you (meaning Universalism) are saying, you say everyone gets saved no matter what. You are the one who has been fooled into believing the restitution of all is Biblical, it's not. Believing in eternal hell does make God a failure and certainly does mean Jesus died in vain. If we deny Him now, He will not acknowledge us later
Hi ILNC, people are saved because of what Jesus has done for us. God will bring about a change. People will repent and believe on Jesus. Sin and wickedness will not exist forever in the creation. They will be abolished, their power annulled. Jesus did not die in vain because all are restored to God. The restoration of anyone to God is only because of the death and resurrection of Jesus. A teacher prepares to teach a class and the goal is for everyone to pass the class. If everyone passes the class, this does not mean that the teacher's preparation and teaching was in vain. The teacher accomplishes the goal. A doctor discovers a cure that will cure a disease. All who have the disease are cured. The fact that all are cured as a result, does not mean that the cure was in vain. Are you saying that the teacher need not have taught the class at all then, or that the doctor need not have discovered the cure then, because all have been cured? How could students have passed at all or how could anyone at all have been cured? God bless.
Last edited by ShanaBrown; 05-08-2009 at 04:40 PM..
He will separate the wheat from the chaff .......He will gather and store the grain in His barn and burn the chaff with unquenchable fire....He will separate the sheep from the goats...............Turn to the Lord TODAY....... without delay.....repent of sin and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for your salvation........
The warnings of the Lord Jesus are very clear in scripture.....DO NOT BE DECEIVED......
I left out an IMPORTANT word....Believing in eternal hell does NOT make God a failure!!!!!!!!!!!!
was thinking maybe you'd changed your beliefs...
glad you corrected your thoughts
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Correct!!!
God bless.
