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Old 06-24-2009, 09:54 PM
 
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The burning will end when it's purpose is accomplished. Eventually all are to be reunited in Jesus Christ. (Eph.1) God bless.
I think you are totally wrong about that.

The lost get dumped into the fire...and thats it kids!
No change,
no 2nd chance...
no lesson to learn...
no 2nd thoughts...

The lost are not in hell to "Learn their lesson"

Just burn baby burn....forever and ever...and ever...
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Old 06-24-2009, 10:00 PM
 
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I think you are totally wrong about that.

The lost get dumped into the fire...and thats it kids!
No change,
no 2nd chance...
no lesson to learn...
no 2nd thoughts...

Just burn baby burn....forever and ever...and ever...
The way you make it sound its like a barbecue ... Even the log transforms when burned, into heat and smoke. Nothing ever truly ceases to exist it only changes states. The fire is transformative and correcting and renewing and for purging and for purifying. These are the way the bible describes Gods judgment and the purpose of the fire. One day you ll understand.
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Old 06-24-2009, 10:04 PM
 
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Amen, Ironmaw. God bless.
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Old 06-24-2009, 10:07 PM
 
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The way you make it sound its like a barbecue ... Even the log transforms when burned, into heat and smoke. Nothing ever truly ceases to exist it only changes states. The fire is transformative and correcting and renewing and for purging and for purifying. These are the way the bible describes Gods judgment and the purpose of the fire. One day you ll understand.
When we rise up out of the grave our bodies of flesh are changed.
In a blink of an eye they go from being normal parts of this creation, to being everlasting.

They are different than anything else in creation.
So the normal ways of evolution have no meaning to us then.
we dont change...
Time has no meaning to the body at that point...no evolution....

The saved enter into the kingdom.
The Lost get tossed into the fire of hell...

The lost burn forever.

The fire never stops burning the Lost...

it burns them and burns them and burns them,,,on and on...forever and ever ..and...ever
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Old 06-24-2009, 10:11 PM
 
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The fire never stops....it never goes out....it never gets put out...

The reason the fire never goes out is that the thing it is made to burn will also last forever....(the bodies of the lost)
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Old 06-24-2009, 10:12 PM
 
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On words that have been translated as "forever" or "eternal" , "everlasting, incurable", in some translations. God bless.


Sodom's fiery judgment is "eternal" (Jude
7)--until--God "will restore the fortunes of Sodom"
16:53-55).

Israel's "affliction is incurable" (Jer.
30:12)-until--the Lord "will restore health" and heal
her wounds (Jer. 30:17).

The sin of Samaria "is incurable" (Mic. 1:9)-until--
Lord "will restore ... the fortunes of Samaria." (Ez.
16:53).

Ammon is to become a "wasteland forever" and "rise no
more" (Zeph. 2:9, Jer. 25:27 --until--the Lord will
"restore the fortunes of the Ammonites" (Jer. 49:6).

An Ammonite or Moabite is forbidden to enter the
Lord's congregation "forever"-until--the tenth
generation (Deut. 23:3):

Habakkuk tells us of mountains that were
"everlasting", that is -until-- they "were shattered"
Hab. 3 3:6).

The Aaronic Priesthood was to be an "everlasting"
priesthood (Ex. 40:15), that is-until-it was
superceded by the Melchizedek Priesthood (Hebrews
7:14-18).

Many translations of the Bible inform us that God
would dwell in Solomon's Temple "forever" (1 Kings
8:13), that is,--until the Temple was destroyed.

The Law of Moses was to be an "everlasting covenant"
(Leviticus 24:8) yet we read in the New Covenant the
first was "done away" and "abolished" (2 Corinthians
3:11,13), and God "made the first old" (Hebrews 8:13).

The fire for Israel's sin offering (of a ram without
blemish) is never to be put out. It shall be a
"perpetual"-- until-- Christ, the Lamb of God, dies
for our sins. We now have a better covenant
established on better promises (Lev. 6:12-13, Heb.
8:6-13).

God's waves of wrath roll over Jonah
"forever"-until--the Lord delivers him from the large
fish's belly on the third day (Jonah 2:6,10; 1: 17);
Egypt and Elam will "rise no more" (Jer.
25:27)-until--the Lord will "restore the fortunes of
Egypt" (Ez. 29:14) and "restore the fortunes of Elam"
(Jer. 49:39).

"Moab is destroyed" (Jer. 48:4, 42)-until--the Lord
"will restore the fortunes of Moab" (Jer. 48:47).

Israel's judgment lasts "forever"-until--the Spirit is
poured out and God restores it (Isa. 32:13-15).

So, narrow is the way to life and few find it-until--
and His church confiscate the "strong man's" booty,
setting the captives free so God becomes all in all
(Isa. 61, Luke 11:21-22, Matt. 7:13; 16:18, 1 Cor.
15:24-28).

The King James Bible, as well as many others, tells us
that a bondslave was to serve his master "forever"
(Exodus 21:6), that is,--until--his death
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Old 06-24-2009, 10:13 PM
 
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If the bodies of the lost could be all burned up and made into nothing, then the fire would soon go out too.

There is no need for the fires of hell if everything in that fire got al burned up into nothing.

But the bible is clear when it tells of that the flame will never die.
The flame of hell never goes out because it was made by God to burn something that will last forever....

This is also the hope of the saved too!

That our new bodies will last forever and will never rot or die....
This is the hope of the Christian, that just as the Lost will burn forever, so too will the saved feel joy forever...
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Old 06-24-2009, 10:14 PM
 
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Hi, an unquenchable fire is one that burns until its purpose is fulfilled.

References of unquenchable fire refer to fire that is unstoppable, unable to be quenched, but does not mean that the fire will be burning forever. For example in the OT, there are many references to God’s unquenchable fire or wrath and many have been fulfilled. This does not mean that the fires that brought about destruction are still burning today.

Josephus says, [Jewish War, B. ii, ch. xvii:6.] speaking of a fire that used to burn in the temple--though at the time he wrote [A.D.80] it had gone out, and the temple was destroyed--"Every one was accustomed to bring wood for the altar, that fuel might never be needed for the fire, for it continued always unquenchable."


Strabo, [A.D. 70} described the "unquenchable lamp" that used to burn in the Parthenon, though it has long since ceased to burn. [Lib. ix: p. 606.]

Plutarch, {A.D. 110} in Numa, [p. 262] speaks of places in Delphi and Athens, "where there is a fire unquenchable," (asbeston) though in the same breath he describes it as having ceased to burn.

Eusebius, [A.D]325, Eccl. Hist. Lib. vi, chap. 41] in his account of the martyrdom of Cronon and Julian, at Alexandria, says they were "consumed in unquenchable fire, asbesto puri," though it burned only long enough to destroy their bodies.

In the Scriptures an unquenchable fire is one that cannot be extinguished until it has fulfilled its purpose.

Lev. vi: 12-13, "And the fire upon the altar shall be burning in it; it shall not be put out: and the priest shall burn wood on it every morning, and lay the burnt offering in order upon it; and he shall burn thereon the fat of the peace offerings. The fire shall ever be burning upon the altar; it shall never go out."
This fire was long ago extinguished, and yet it was "never to go out."

So we read in Isa. xxxiv:9-10, "And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch. It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up forever; from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever."
The unquenchable fire has long since expired


Some ref: Tentmaker
http://www.tentmaker.org/ScholarsCorner.html



God bless.
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Old 06-24-2009, 10:21 PM
 
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Some have asked me in class,
"How long will the lost be in hell?"

I have found one way to help people see the vast amounts of time we are dealing with here to turn the question slightly and ask them -
"How long will God last?"

Or, "How long will our salvation in Christ last?"

hundreds of years?
Millions of years?
Billions?
Zillions?
Trillions?
a trillion times a trillion?

I just go with the term "forever"
God and his heaven last forever
just as the fires of hell last forever....
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Old 06-24-2009, 10:23 PM
 
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Forever and ever as referenced to punishment is "for the ages of the ages" or for the "age of the ages". An age has a beginning and an end. God transcends the ages. Eventually God, who created the ages and transcends the ages, will be all in all. God bless.
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