For those that didn't bother listening to the audio, I have summed up the section on CU here.
He has actually went through some of the web pages on tentmaker.org, but unfortunately he didn't understand what he was reading and uses many old arguments ie. "out of context" and "no verses that say universalism", eternal means eternal... etc.
The speaker starts off with saying, "if you are going to make a doctrine that says all will eventually be saved, you must have a verse that says all will be eventually saved. Unfortunately there are none."
Hm. I guess he didn't notice 1 Tim 2:4, 1 Tim 4:10, Titus 2:11, Eph 1:10, Col 1:20, etc.
He then goes on through Matt 23 where it asks how some will escape hell (verse 33), and then goes on to show how verse 37 shows some are not willing to come. Thus man's free will triumphs over God's will.
Then he goes on with Matt 25: the parable of the virgins - 5 are shut out, therefore they are not saved. Therefore he believes that is proof that not everyone is saved because not everyone gets into the wedding feast.
But he makes the same mistakes most critics of Christian Universalism make. These points have been debunked before. Some will not make it into the reign of the Kingdom. They will not receive aionios life, they will receive aionios correction instead. But as usual this misrepresented as eternal hell.
It seems like the speaker only took a few statements from tentmaker "all will be saved" and proceeded to debunk that using traditional ET arguments. But what he doesn't realize is that all of the traditional ET beliefs have been debunked at tentmaker and many other sites.
Other arguments the speaker brings up:
- people are cast into outer darkness (conscious torment), therefore not all are saved
- the sheep and the goats show not all will be saved
- the lake of fire shows (torment forever) not all will be saved
- "hell" is unquenchable fire - therefore its for eternity (never mind gehenna)
- Luke 16 is used as documented proof of hell
- he points out "eternal fire" as proof of ETERNAL fire. He even mentions "aionios" means eternal.
- and of course his "clincher" Matt 25:46 - "eternal" life & "eternal" punishment - therfore duration must be the same.
Sigh. Did he not read anything about the aion/aionios mistranslation? How about the hell/hades/sheol/gehenna mistranslation?
Of course his tradition ET teachings have blinded him, but all of these arguments have been researched, debunked, and explained on the very site he references (tentmaker.org), if only he would have studied it a bit more. Its really basic stuff to study this if you want to understand UR.
It seems he believes God did die for the world, but not all will believe, therefore many will get eternal fire, torture, torment, punishement forever.
Apparently man triumphs over God. Its almost like
Sigh.
Do people think Christian Universalists are stupid? Lost sheep, deceived by the devil, and now will be thrown into the very hell they no longer believe in?
Do ETers actually think Christian Universalists have never considered all the arguments that were presented by this speaker?
The only way I could believe in Christian Universalism is if I had satisfactory answers to all of these arguments that have been raised. This is also why I can no longer believe eternal torment because there are too many verses that cannot support it.
Scripture preaches universal reconciliation for all. But most people don't want to research the truth and would rather believe traditions of men. That's what this speaker showed me. He didn't research UR at all, even though he had a good reference (tentmaker.org), and instead repeats the same old lies that UR debunks.
Peace.