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Originally Posted by I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA
The Trinity is Biblical. Jesus made clear statements to prove He is God, John 10:30, John 14:8-9. Yes ONE God in three persons, yet ONE in essence. Also all three are present in Matt 3:16-17
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Ok well with an open mind, I will look at them:
28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. 30I and the Father are one."
31Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him,
Apparently the Jews thought he was saying that too... but instead of rebuking them he restates in vs. 37-39
John 10:37-39 (New International Version)
37Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. 38But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father." 39Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp.
In verse 30 the word "one" specifies "unity" in a general, not personal, sense.
The phrase "Father is in me, and I in the Father" is representative of the unity expressed by the word "one" in verse 30.
In context I would say no, he was not professing to be God, just that everything he said came from God and they should listen to it.
John 14:8-10 (New International Version)
8Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."
9Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own.
Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
Again here the explanation is stated in verse 10 and is the same message as before. God is in him. He is not God.
Matthew 3:16-17 (New International Version)
16As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. 17And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."
Ok so obviously the word trinity is not found in the bible so we are looking for the idea of the trinity... Jesus says in verse 15 that it is necessary for him to receive the Spirit of God. He does. Then God (we can deduce as the voice) says this is his son.
If you can interchange God with Jesus and the Spirit of God then the verse reads like this:
As soon as God was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw God descending like a dove and lighting on him. And God said,"This is my son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Now does that make any sense?
Begs the question: Why did God need his own spirit and approval from himself?
There really isn't a trinity. If you would like to read up on it with an open mind I can send you a few links from reputable sources.
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