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More atheistic thinking - blame the victim of a gang rape. She shouldn't have been drinking, she should have been uglier, she shouldn't have been female, on and on. It doesn't matter that you say you don't blame the victim because you at least partly blame the victim, so you do blame the victim.
That's atheistic thinking at its truest - the world just is what it is you can't change those things and too bad so sad. Plenty of people get drunk and don't risk being raped. To suggest that being raped is an expected consequence of being drunk is just dumb.
Atheistic thinking: we're just animals anyway.
Moderator cut: deleted reference I think you are just dying to use the phrase "atheistic thinking." So a non belief in god means your are just a okay with getting drunk and raping people? Wow. Atheistic thinking is more like...I don't believe that a mean man in the sky is gonna burn me in hell if I ain't good, I can be good without threats.
Yes...I can choose to be a good law abiding citizen all by myself. I don't need an invisible man god threatening me to be good! *gasp* Is it possible?! I'll tell you that it is possible. Can you believe it?!
No that is a cold hard speculation. She was gang-raped. Is it not possible that even if sober they would hold her down and raped her?
To blame the victim, even one small iota is as disgusting and despicable as what the rapists did to her. To blame the victim is about as un-Christian as you can get.
Actually, blaming the victim is very biblically correct. Remember how women who got raped in the bible were treated? If they didn't yell loudly enough, they were put to death. Stoning, I believe.
So you might say that some of the more radical bible thumpers would consider themselves very Christian for blaming the victim.
God places responsibility on the state to execute those who commit certain types of crime. And the manner of those executions should be of a nature that might make other would be criminals think twice.
My point was that when your main reaction is to want death without mercy something is amiss. Plus you failed to provide info about rape being a capital crime in the NT.
*edit* PS - Mike - let me add that I would like to personally beat the crap out of all these guys AND all the spectators. Your title of "bleeding heart liberals" for those who would call for mercy AND justice (and possible reconciliation) is way off base. These lost souls (lost sheep) need help. After I beat them within an inch of their lives I would maybe calm down and have a talk with them about salvation and grace.
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So dismount from your self righteous high horse and go have a cookie.
I broke my leg dismounting because the horse was so high. But I am eating a lot of cookies while down and that is helping. So your advice had mixed results.
The victim of last weekend's brutal gang rape at her homecoming dance was a devout Christian who attended church three times a week and whose friends say had been looking forward to the homecoming dance for weeks.
Would it have made any difference if she were crack-smoking girl of ill-repute?
Rape is rape - it's wrong. Nothing about the victim changes that.
My heart goes out to this girl. I am a Christian. Yet even if she were a atheist my heart would break for her. The simple fact is she is a human being qualifies her for love and compassion. Yes Christ does teach love and forgiveness and the perpetrators should be grateful for this. Remember we are all sinners and deserve death and Christ came to die for the sins of ALL men( John 3:16).
But remember she is a child of the most high God and he is a loving and just God. He grieves not just for the evil done against this poor child but from the evil of this world. Many have said " where was God"? Evil men and women would like to think God was not there and God did not see. Yet God was there and he did see. Jesus was there - Jesus understands. Jesus also suffered at the hands of evil men and was crucified when he has did no wrong. But Jesus is alive! He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
God weeps when we weep and he is long suffering not willing that ANY should perish( 2Peter 3:9). He is waiting until his established word is fulfilled and he shall make ALL the wrongs from Satan and his followers in this evil world right. Yes this evil was perpetrated by Satan and his followers not by our loving good and caring God! So don’t blame God for the evil in this world. We live in a fallen world.
But be clear- , God is Loving, God is Just, God is Longsuffering, God is Forgiving and Merciful. God's Honor, Glory and his Name has been treated with contempt and he is ALSO a Holy God and he shall repay.
This is twisted and so perverse - no longer are rapist these power hunger men looking to dominate woman but a group of teenagers with an audience to boot soley for sexual grafication. The girl was just and object or tool to their sexual ends. No one had a conscience and if they did no power to do anything. No doubt our porn soak society, I believe, had a huge role in their attitude and pathology.
Instead of killing them let them have hard larbor for 30 yrs and then execute them, at least their work can 'pay' for their existence while being locked up and then they can have an easy retierment.
Or if you are progressive or liberal we can start a 'perp-fund' in order to rehabilitate them with out taxing the public. We can strap an ankle device on them so they will not be traumatized by removing them form their known environment. While their at home they can acess the computer for their addiction for sexual stimulus, we would not want them to have withdrawls, and the fridge for snacks - they have grown up with it - it would be criminal to take them away.
I've been accused of being a liberal by rabid right extremists. I have no problem ridding civilization of those who cannot be rehabilitated. A penal colony in antarctica minus food delivery works fine for me. If they want to be feral, let them be feral without any help from civilization. Total 'freedom' to prey upon one another to their own extinction. Is that cruel and unusual punishment to allow mother nature deal with them?
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As a side note why did the article title mention the 'Church' thing? It was mentioned once in passing within the main article. It is almost af if they are suggesting 'Where was God.' Just a thought.
No real Christian would take it that way. Real Christians know beyond all doubt that men abusing their freewill is not the fault of their maker. False christians play god and argue with atheists in supremacy contests. I suggest you spend more time in your Bible to figure out which of the above you mean to be.
I've been accused of being a liberal by rabid right extremists. I have no problem ridding civilization of those who cannot be rehabilitated. A penal colony in antarctica minus food delivery works fine for me. If they want to be feral, let them be feral without any help from civilization. Total 'freedom' to prey upon one another to their own extinction. Is that cruel and unusual punishment to allow mother nature deal with them?
No real Christian would take it that way. Real Christians know beyond all doubt that men abusing their freewill is not the fault of their maker. False christians play god and argue with atheists in supremacy contests. I suggest you spend more time in your Bible to figure out which of the above you mean to be.
no, that's not a violation of the Eighth Amendment to the Constitution
This was a terrible thing and no young girl deserves this ,believer or nonbeliever. I honestly can't say what I would do to the perpetrators if it was my daughter,but I pray that someday that they may find the Lord and go to forgiveness for this heinous crime. There should be some type of crime or penalty on people who stand around and absolutely do nothing but watch and take pictures.
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