When a universalist is your own brother?? (Christ, Israel, blood)
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When a person comes to acknowledge Christ ("every knee shall bow") they will also be presented before the throne of God "spotless." This spotlessness is achieved through acknowledging, "Jesus is Lord."
Again, you didn't address the fact that it says that EVERYONE will confess that Jesus is Lord. It doesn't say SOME will - it says that EVERY Tongue shall confess.
Again, you didn't address the fact that it says that EVERYONE will confess that Jesus is Lord. It doesn't say SOME will - it says that EVERY Tongue shall confess.
The question that you haven't addressed is who God is speaking to in Isa 45?
Israel. Covenantal Israel.
Now, who is Paul speaking about in Romans 14?
Gentiles. He is preaching the Gospel to the pagan world, because why?
Because the partition had been removed, and the "grafting" of Gentiles into the Holy stump began to take place.
Covenantal True Israel.
You miss the entire premise of scripture.
It is about "His" people.
The reblellious and ungodly are not His people. This included the Jewish clergy. They are of the Devil. This is what Christ taught.
Christ died for everyone, yes. But there is something that everyone must do. You don't get a free pass for not believing. This is not Biblical.
This is not Covenantal.
They must accept Christ. Then you are grafted into that covenant, and are the recipient of the blessings God had promised for His people.
The question that you haven't addressed is who God is speaking to in Isa 45?
Israel. Covenantal Israel.
Now, who is Paul speaking about in Romans 14?
Gentiles. He is preaching the Gospel to the pagan world, because why?
Because the partition had been removed, and the "grafting" of Gentiles into the Holy stump began to take place.
Covenantal True Israel.
You miss the entire premise of scripture.
It is about "His" people.
The reblellious and ungodly are not His people. This included the Jewish clergy. They are of the Devil. This is what Christ taught.
Christ died for everyone, yes. But there is something that everyone must do. You don't get a free pass for not believing. This is not Biblical.
This is not Covenantal.
They must accept Christ. Then you are grafted into that covenant, and are the recipient of the blessings God had promised for His people.
God is speaking to everyone in Isaiah 45. You keep trying to limit who He is speaking to in everything that I have seen you discuss. You have constantly broke this verse:
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Now are you going to continue to say that this and that only applies to SOME as you have been doing?
Now tell me - Why CAN'T God persuade some people to repent?
His people are Israel. Old Covenant and New Covenant.
That is the message. That is Biblical.
He created everyone - not just physical Israel. Again, if He created everyone for the very purpose of being His Children then all shall eventually be ISRAEL. That is what you don't get. There is your covenant for you.
The God who wrote the Bible, I'm sorry you can't say the same.
Really, sure I can. So what about Esau? How is that for your choice?
Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
Rom 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
How can that be? So much for choice. You don't seem to get it that God - NOT YOU - NOT ANYONE ELSE - determines when to save you.
God is speaking to everyone in Isaiah 45. You keep trying to limit who He is speaking to in everything that I have seen you discuss. You have constantly broke this verse:
In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
You have been corrected.
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2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Now are you going to continue to say that this and that only applies to SOME as you have been doing?
What that means is that, through the Holy Spirit, God revealed Himself and his plans to particular individuals, who wrote down his message for his people. That doesn't mean that they went into a trance, and God moved their hands to write. Using their own minds, talents, language, and style, God led them to write what needed to be written. The claim of the Bible is that God was in control of its writing.
Verse 18: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
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Now tell me - Why CAN'T God persuade some people to repent?
He can, and does, by the gift of hearing the gospel.
Then that man is saved.
He created everyone - not just physical Israel. Again, if He created everyone for the very purpose of being His Children then all shall eventually be ISRAEL. That is what you don't get. There is your covenant for you.
Adam was created outside of the garden.
He was brought into the garden, the covenant of God.
He was cast out of the garden because he broke that covenant.
Christ came and shed His blood to redeem that covenant.
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