When a universalist is your own brother?? (Lutheran, pray, verses)
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Adam was created outside of the garden.
He was brought into the garden, the covenant of God.
He was cast out of the garden because he broke that covenant.
Christ came and shed His blood to redeem that covenant.
What you don't get is that Jesus came to eradicate sin. Jesus came so that the work of God is not in vain. Every person that God ever gave life to will not be in vain. You continue to support the case that some will be lost eternally. That is contrary to His Word, His purpose, and His power.
What you don't get is that Jesus came to eradicate sin. Jesus came so that the work of God is not in vain. Every person that God ever gave life to will not be in vain. You continue to support the case that some will be lost eternally. That is contrary to His Word, His purpose, and His power.
Why do you continue to support something that is not biblical? It is contrary to His Word to claim everyone will be saved. Salvation is offered to all, but some will refuse it.
What you don't get is that Jesus came to eradicate sin. Jesus came so that the work of God is not in vain. Every person that God ever gave life to will not be in vain. You continue to support the case that some will be lost eternally. That is contrary to His Word, His purpose, and His power.
Let the scripture speak for itself. In the New Covenant, whether you consider its justification future or past tense:
And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
None of these will enter into it.
But:
...the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
Why is this so? Because:
...the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Why do you continue to support something that is not biblical? It is contrary to His Word to claim everyone will be saved. Salvation is offered to all, but some will refuse it.
Amen.....ILNC ! Yes, it is awful to read such arrogant, self-righteous twisting of God's precious word that some proclaim to be truth.....
Though one day the TRUTH will be revealed and some will weep bitterly as their knee bows, confessing Jesus is Lord, that they had not chose to listen to the Holy Spirit as He came through many to give the way of escape to come out from under the lie.
Let the scripture speak for itself. In the New Covenant, whether you consider its justification future or past tense:
And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
None of these will enter into it.
But:
...the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
Why is this so? Because:
...the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Bye Bye Universalism.
I fail to see how the above disproves universalism.
Why do you continue to support something that is not biblical? It is contrary to His Word to claim everyone will be saved. Salvation is offered to all, but some will refuse it.
Those that don't listen to the Word, pay attention to sin and think that all go to heaven are running. They are running because they don't want to have to face themselves, humble themselves and change. They desire to continue on in their destructive behavior refusing to believe in consequences because it is easier to run.
Just like a rebellious child refuses to follow rules, hates authority, breaks the law... That child does not want to listen because that child is running from pain in their heart.. The pain causes them to "act out". Many people are afraid of facing themselves and their filthy thinking and life style so they run from the Bible because it talks about sin and they lie to themselves about consequences. If one has "common sense" and looks all around, this world is saturated with cause and effect, sowing and reaping and consequences (bad or good) and rewards. This natural law is in effect everywhere.
It is very sad because although they may think they are running eventually they will be running into a brick wall, and that wall is God's Hand.. Lord help them.
Romans 14:12
12And so each of us shall give an account of himself [give an answer in reference to judgment] to God.
Those that don't listen to the Word, pay attention to sin and think that all go to heaven are running. They are running because they don't want to have to face themselves, humble themselves and change. They desire to continue on in their destructive behavior refusing to believe in consequences because it is easier to run.
Just like a rebellious child refuses to follow rules, hates authority, breaks the law... That child does not want to listen because that child is running from pain in their heart.. The pain causes them"act out". Many people are afraid of facing themselves and their filthy thinking and life style so they run from the Bible because it talks about sin and they lie to themselves about consequences. If one has "common sense" and looks all around this world is saturated with cause and effect, sowing and reaping and consequences (bad or good) and rewards. This natural law is in effect everywhere.
It is very sad because although they may think they are running eventually they will be running into a brick wall, and that wall is God's Hand.. Lord help them.
Romans 14:12
12And so each of us shall give an account of himself [give an answer in reference to judgment] to God.
Amen....
John 3:17-21 18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”
John 5:25-29 25 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, 27 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. 28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
Are you saying that everyone is saved, regardless of their belief?
This is what Unversalism teaches. This is in error.
No I am not saying that, and neither does Christian Universalism (Unitarian Universalism is a different story, I'm not familiar with it). It seems you have built a straw man of Christain Universalism to knock down, because no biblically-based Christian universalist I know believes what you imply here.
Quote:
Here is another:
Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Bye Bye Universalism.
Sounds like to me if anyone does His commandments, they have a right to the tree of life and may enter the gates of the city.
Hello Universalism!
You see, neither of these passages imply any "final point of no return beyond which one can be saved" scenario. The gates are ALWAYS OPEN.
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