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It's going to be interesting who is going to win the battle:
[1] Ilene the now agnostic\atheist
[2] The UR'er who is going to get her into heaven despite
[3] The OSAS who is going to get her into heaven despite
[4] Or Jesus who put no qualifiers to what he said:
John 15:6If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.
John 12:48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day.
Matthew 13:19-21
The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away.
[5] And the inspired writers of God who agrees with Jesus
Romans 2:8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.
Hebrews 3:14 We have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end.
Hebrews 6:11We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, so that what you hope for may be fully realized.
Will the "all" word shell game prevail ...
Will the " fall \ doesn't remain can't mean lose their salvation" word shell game prevail ...
Or will Jesus who warns about not remaining and rejecting him?
Is this surprisingly large response meant to cover up the apparent fact that you didn't read the post date or have a short memory? LOL I was mostly just wondering whether you had forgotten or were messing with us (that is, those who remember her).. I wasn't picking a UR/ET fight or arguing verse context...though I'm sure someone will start one by countering the context of those verse..so is the way of this forum
You do realize that this post by Ilene is old and that Ilene has changed her views radically since. She first accepted Universalism for a while and is now an agnostic/atheist. I'm not sure she even posts much anymore.
I think you are right. Like the OP, Ilene also turned her back to universalism after preaching it on daily bases. I wonder if she will also be labeled as a "not a true universalist"
I think you are right. Like the OP, Ilene also turned her back to universalism after preaching it on daily bases. I wonder if she will also be labeled as a "not a true universalist"
The funny thing is the atheist forum and religious and spirituality forum is full of former Christians who were 100% bible believers, I wonder if they get labeled that they were not true Christians.
The prodigal was always a son while he was living it up and wasting instead of investing ( freely you have received freely give) his inheritance, and I can guarantee you that the Father looked daily towards the way that his son left with his inheritance,attracting him back to himself by the desire in his heart. Many of us have been there done that, we have been the prodigal, and we have also played the heart of the Father patiently desiring and expecting the return of our loved ones.
It's going to be interesting who is going to win the battle:
[1] Ilene the now agnostic\atheist
[2] The UR'er who is going to get her into heaven despite
[3] The OSAS who is going to get her into heaven despite
[4] Or Jesus who put no qualifiers to what he said:
John 15:6If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.
John 12:48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day.
Matthew 13:19-21 The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away.
[5] And the inspired writers of God who agrees with Jesus
Romans 2:8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.
Hebrews 3:14 We have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end.
Hebrews 6:11We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, so that what you hope for may be fully realized.
Will the "all" word shell game prevail ...
Will the " fall \ doesn't remain can't mean lose their salvation" word shell game prevail ...
Or will Jesus who warns about not remaining and rejecting him?
Jesus will get her to heaven. By the way... Peter did not hold fast his original conviction either while he was denying Jesus. In fact all the disciples became offended that night and were scattered sheep.
Jesus will get her to heaven. By the way... Peter did not hold fast his original conviction either while he was denying Jesus. In fact all the disciples became offended that night and were scattered sheep.
First thing that came to my mind when they were trying to use Illene as an example. Makes you wonder how these 100% bible believers have kept the faith so long without going astray, never mind running off with their inheritance.
First thing that came to my mind when they were trying to use Illene as an example. Makes you wonder how these 100% bible believers have kept the faith so long without going astray, never mind running off with their inheritance.
Wasteful extravagance of a Prodigal; but providence says, 'they will return.'
The funny thing is the atheist forum and religious and spirituality forum is full of former Christians who were 100% bible believers, I wonder if they get labeled that they were not true Christians.
The prodigal was always a son while he was living it up and wasting instead of investing ( freely you have received freely give) his inheritance, and I can guarantee you that the Father looked daily towards the way that his son left with his inheritance,attracting him back to himself by the desire in his heart. Many of us have been there done that, we have been the prodigal, and we have also played the heart of the Father patiently desiring and expecting the return of our loved ones.
As Bill Withers said "then I look at you then the world is alright with me". O ye of little faith.
Yeah what gives? They must be messing with us. I can't imagine they would have forgotten that...I don't post nearly as much as Twin and Fin do and even I remember this...or at least know how to read dates..
Twin and Fin sometimes like to pretend they are not privy to certain facts, preferring to "score one for the home team" or winning an argument at any cost - even if it might be construed as being deceitful. This is just one small example of such dishonest communications they are known to practice.
Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to your neighbor, for we are all members of one body. - Ephesians 4: 25
Jesus will get her to heaven. By the way... Peter did not hold fast his original conviction either while he was denying Jesus. In fact all the disciples became offended that night and were scattered sheep.
When Peter did, he turned to Jesus in Godly sorrowful in repentance. Peter had salvation.
Judas however turned away in despair, regretted what he, and did not turn to Jesus for forgiveness.
Judas had no salvation ... he was sent to hell.
2 Corinthians 7:10 Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.
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I was mostly just wondering whether you had forgotten or were messing with us (that is, those who remember her).. I wasn't picking a UR/ET fight or arguing verse context...though I'm sure someone will start one by countering the context of those verse..so is the way of this forum 
