A provocative question for self professing Born Again Christians (Gospel, doctrine, believe)
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...so when a man decides to follow the Lord, turn over this new leaf and do his best to follow the Example, and then fails, was he never truly 'born again'? Is man still allowed to commit sin (ever) and wear the label 'born again'...that is my question.
True born again people, meaning the soul has been transformed from a sinning soul to that of a perfect soul, cannot sin because they are perfect. If a person sins after being proclaimed born again, they were never born again.
It means that opinion on what I feel is Truth, with a capital T, is not something that an outside opinion could affect. Only He could - no other entity through ANY action, of positive or negative effect on me.
Do you read your Bible or is it just a paperweight?
John 15:18-20
18 “If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. 19 If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. 20 Remember the word that I said to you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they kept my word, they will also keep yours.
Do you really understand that quote?
Being born of the spirit, meaning, you have received the new heart that Jesus promised, is being born again. If you still think materialistically, condemn others if they do not agree with you, hate, judge, call names or anything that is negative, you are not born again.
If you are spiritually minded, love all, do not judge, condemn, are all that is Truth, Beauty and Goodness, then you are born again in spirit and you are pefect as God is perfect.
It truely takes more than a lifetime to accomplish that feat. If you are born without sin as Jesus was, it can take only half your lifetime.
True born again people, meaning the soul has been transformed from a sinning soul to that of a perfect soul, cannot sin because they are perfect. If a person sins after being proclaimed born again, they were never born again.
Does each sincere action within the mind to again get on the path of following the example of Christ, after a failure to follow a commitment of the same in the past, bring about the 'transformation of a perfect soul'? Or, is this transformation only done if a person has made the commitment(for most I would think this might be most possible at the end of life) and completes what is necessary where no sin is commited again while they still live?
...then you are born again in spirit and you are pefect as God is perfect.
I may be misunderstanding you, but I have my doubts that anyone, but Jesus, has or ever will become 'perfect as G-d is perfect' while they still live. Is this what your understanding of 'born-again' is as applied to living Christians?
It means that opinion on what I feel is Truth, with a capital T, is not something that an outside opinion could affect. Only He could - no other entity through ANY action, of positive or negative effect on me.
Okay, I'm more confused than ever. lol It's really a simple question, are you willing to be hated by the world?
...so when a man decides to follow the Lord, turn over this new leaf and do his best to follow the Example, and then fails, was he never truly 'born again'? Is man still allowed to commit sin (ever) and wear the label 'born again'...that is my question.
Man is not allowed to commit sin...meaning you can't intentionally go out and keep sinning (this shows no evidence that you repented if you continue to sin knowingly)....but sometimes we sin ignorantly.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Being perfected is a sometimes lifelong process...it does not happen overnight which is why, as long as we truly repent of any wrong doing after coming to the Lord, he is faithful to forgive us...but we must continually strive to change our behavior and rely on him to give us the power we need to do it.
True born again people, meaning the soul has been transformed from a sinning soul to that of a perfect soul, cannot sin because they are perfect. If a person sins after being proclaimed born again, they were never born again.
That's awesome, unfortunately there isn't an ounce of Biblical truth to it.
1 John 1:8: If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
If we can be perfect here on earth, why the need for heaven and once we are perfect, why the need for God?
Does each sincere action within the mind to again get on the path of following the example of Christ, after a failure to follow a commitment of the same in the past, bring about the 'transformation of a perfect soul'? Or, is this transformation only done if a person has made the commitment(for most I would think this might be most possible at the end of life) and completes what is necessary where no sin is commited again while they still live?
I think I understand what your asking.
We can correct our errors by forgiveness through the soul. The mind does not do the forgivenes. When we forgive ourselves for the action and atone with the person who the action was towards, then true forgivesness is given and we are apt to not commit the sin again. If the sin is of the mind, we are more apt to commit the sin.
The transformation of the soul is through Love. Any iota of negative is still imperfect, including an inclination to sin.
What is needed is to cleanse the soul of all sin and the inclination to sin. Then one can become born again because all sins and tendencies to sin are gone.
Let me know if I misunderstood the question.
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