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Since ya'll want to take the oral tradition of the creation story so literally...I'm just curious how ya'll reconcile the fact that the Babylonians had a very similar creation/origin story a full 1500 years before the Hebrews???
Since ya'll want to take the oral tradition of the creation story so literally...I'm just curious how ya'll reconcile the fact that the Babylonians had a very similar creation/origin story a full 1500 years before the Hebrews???
Au contraire.
The Book of Enoch was pre-flood, and Enoch was the first to prophesy of the flood as the first consumption of sin on earth, and the first to prophesy of the future great tribulation as the second consumption of sin on earth, and the first to prophesy of the ultimate regeneration of the heavens and earth, in which there will be no sin. There is even a fragment of Noah's writing in the book of 1 Enoch.
Abraham was alive when Nimrod & Co attempted the tower to heaven rebellion. Abram's father, Terah, even, was the top general for Nimrod, and named Abram "exalted father" because Nimrod had placed Terah in the high position he was in. Nimrod caused the people to fall, in the tower rebellion, and so he was called Amraphel, meaning "in him [as an "mighty one", a god/el over the am/people], they, rapha/fell".
AbraHam even defeated Nimrod, renamed as Amraphael, when he led an invasion of Sodom and the cities of the plain and carried off Lot, AbraHam's nephew and the sister of his wife, Sarah.
Nimrod's son, Marduk, was even more evil than he was, and the demon worship and genetic mixing of kinds continued under him that began with his father, Nimrod, who was given the tablets of the fallen Watchers from before the flood by Canaan, whose father, Ham, found them and hid them from Noah, and so, his descendants took up the old idolatry and provoking of the LORD wickedness begun before the flood, by the Watchers and rebel men with them.
For true history of earth and the true timelines of earth's history, read 1 Enoch and the Book of Jasher, supplemented with the complete Dead Sea Scrolls translation to English, to see that the early patriarchs of the human race all kept written records of their doings and of the doings of those around them, from the beginning.
Au contraire.
The Book of Enoch was pre-flood, and Enoch was the first to prophesy of the flood as the first consumption of sin on earth, and the first to prophesy of the future great tribulation as the second consumption of sin on earth, and the first to prophesy of the ultimate regeneration of the heavens and earth, in which there will be no sin. There is even a fragment of Noah's writing in the book of 1 Enoch.
Abraham was alive when Nimrod & Co attempted the tower to heaven rebellion. Abram's father, Terah, even, was the top general for Nimrod, and named Abram "exalted father" because Nimrod had placed Terah in the high position he was in. Nimrod caused the people to fall, in the tower rebellion, and so he was called Amraphel, meaning "in him [as an "mighty one", a god/el over the am/people], they, rapha/fell".
AbraHam even defeated Nimrod, renamed as Amraphael, when he led an invasion of Sodom and the cities of the plain and carried off Lot, AbraHam's nephew and the sister of his wife, Sarah.
Nimrod's son, Marduk, was even more evil than he was, and the demon worship and genetic mixing of kinds continued under him that began with his father, Nimrod, who was given the tablets of the fallen Watchers from before the flood by Canaan, whose father, Ham, found them and hid them from Noah, and so, his descendants took up the old idolatry and provoking of the LORD wickedness begun before the flood, by the Watchers and rebel men with them.
For true history of earth and the true timelines of earth's history, read 1 Enoch and the Book of Jasher, supplemented with the complete Dead Sea Scrolls translation to English, to see that the early patriarchs of the human race all kept written records of their doings and of the doings of those around them, from the beginning.
Now you could you actually give me an answer to what I actually posted....the origin/creation story? There are similar origin stories out there that predate that of the Hebrews....please answer to that.
Since ya'll want to take the oral tradition of the creation story so literally...I'm just curious how ya'll reconcile the fact that the Babylonians had a very similar creation/origin story a full 1500 years before the Hebrews???
The same with Israel....
Jer 4:22-23 For my people [is] foolish, they have not known me; they [are] sottish children, and they have none understanding: they [are] wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge. I beheld the earth, and, lo, [it was] without form, and void; and the heavens, and they [had] no light.
Now you could you actually give me an answer to what I actually posted....the origin/creation story? There are similar origin stories out there that predate that of the Hebrews....please answer to that.
There are no creation stories that pre-date the Hebrew.
The Edenic language is the mother tongue, and so any language other than the edenic -early Hebrew- is post babel rebellion and the fall of the tower -though Nimrod was a liar and a worshiper of false demonic gods, as "Jasher" shows.
The language was divided into 70 at Babel, as the ancient historians tell us [which are the roots for all the thousands grown out of them today], and no written language existed other than for the mother tongue, which all but the tribe of Eber lost, at Babel, until that time when men were scattered over the face of the earth which God divided to keep them further apart, not only in language but in distance, because of the great rebellion at the tower.
Noah was still alive, as was Shem, when Nimrod led the Babel [=gate of God] rebellion, aided by demons and fallen angels. so any and all writing other than early Hebrew is post Babel.
We have the copies of the writings of Enoch and the copies of the manuscripts written by the patriarchs after Enoch, in the Dead Sea manuscripts, and they are there in portions, come down through Eber's line, through Abraham, which Moses redacted for the history of all of them for the Book of Jasher [Book of the Upright], and which Moses further redacted for the Genesis accounts.
All written languages other than early Hebrew rose at the same time, shortly after the fall of the tower of Babel when the tongue was divided, and nothing other than ancient Hebrew [Edenic] had an aleph-bet until the language was divided, and new aleph-bets were made for the words to be written for the divided tongues. We have Abraham's own records in the DSS manuscripts [badly fragmented], and those records were redacted for the Book of Jasher, as I said.
And the most ancient Chinese written characters for their language after Babel [which date to shortly after the fall of the tower] show the Genesis account and the flood record as in Genesis, in those characters, agreeing totally with the Genesis account.
The book, "God's Promise to the Chinese" shows the ancient Chinese Oracle Bone Writing characters and the story of creation and redemption in them.
Even the ancient Egyptians worshiped the One True God, shortly after Babel, because Abraham taught them from the Book of Enoch only about forty years after the fall of the tower, and so they worshiped Him -the One True God- as "the Amen" after that, in truth, until they changed his truth into a lie, as Paul said all men of all nations did do, who once knew God -Romans 1. -and Jesus reveals that He is indeed the True and Faithful Witness, the God, "Amen", in Rev 3, who was formerly hidden in secret, in heaven [as Enoch reveals Him to have been], and now come in flesh and revealed] ,
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Since ya'll want to take the oral tradition of the creation story so literally...I'm just curious how ya'll reconcile the fact that the Babylonians had a very similar creation/origin story a full 1500 years before the Hebrews???
Not surprising at all. Furthermore it lends even more credence to a worldwide flood, just one of many global flood stories we find in many cultures through out the world.
God already answered the matter before anyone had questions.
The first "day" was an evening/night-time and a morning/day-time, God said. And He said the same for all six days of creation week in which "He made everything there is in the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them";
and the evening and the mroning were day 1.
and the evening and the morning were day 2
and the evening and the morning were day 3
and the evening and the morning were day 4
and the evening and the morning were day 5
and the evening and the morning were day 6.
and God rested on day seven.
"Questions" planting doubt about what God actually "meant" when He said what He said, began in the Garden -and got our first father kicked out and banned for life from the Garden.
No, my questions were not to "plant doubt" about what God has said, or done. They were intended to make yourself stop and think. To ask yourself: "do I have the correct interpretation of this scripture"? The Word of God is faithful and true. Where error comes in is man trying to teach others their own private interpretation of it. (hence the thousands of different churches and denominations) Likewise, the geologic record is faithful and true. Where error comes in is (some) scientists trying to teach their private interpretation of it as "irrefuteable truth". (IE: the theory of evolution, for example) Science and the Bible do not contradict each other. Man's interpretation of both....does.
No, my questions were not to "plant doubt" about what God has said, or done. They were intended to make yourself stop and think. To ask yourself: "do I have the correct interpretation of this scripture"? The Word of God is faithful and true. Where error comes in is man trying to teach others their own private interpretation of it. (hence the thousands of different churches and denominations) Likewise, the geologic record is faithful and true. Where error comes in is (some) scientists trying to teach their private interpretation of it as "irrefuteable truth". (IE: the theory of evolution, for example) Science and the Bible do not contradict each other. Man's interpretation of both....does.
Bud
Now BudinAk, that is what the serpent did, you know. God made a simple statement to Adam about the tree: Gen 2:15
And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Adam knew what God said, and he knew God meant it, and he told his "ishyah", whom he called "Eve", what God had said about that tree.
She wasn't there, but Adam was, and he told her what God said. But what did the serpent do? He didn't go direct to Adam to tempt him, but he went to Eve, and he asked her if God "really said"...-in other words, the serpent said; I am here to tell you that God really did not mean that at all, but he meant the opposite, because He knows that when you eat that tree's fruit, you will become as God, and you will surely not really "die".
But he lied to her, didn't he? He planted doubt about God's words and their meaning in her mind, didn't he?
1 Were God's words hard to understand?
2 Were they obscure and hidden?
3 Were they too high for Adam?
4 Were they not important?
1 No, they were not hard to understand.
2 No, they were not obscure and hidden. There was no parable or riddle associated with them.
3 No, they were they too not "high" for Adam.
4 Yes, they were important. Adam died in spirit and lost son-ship and the glory, irrevocably.
Was that fair? -Yes.
God said it would happen, and Adam knew it would, but chose to die, willfully, while Eve was deceived.
the same goes on today among born again in Christ believers who have not "heard" the Word, and the demons of the air come snatch them away, and they are deceived with the liars of the world. Others are willful in their rebellion, as Adam was, but the deceived ones still do harm to the simple Word of God and commit blasphemy, though in ignorance, if not willful, and need to repent. If God said it, you can take it to the bank, and you can believe that none of His words are idle or vain. He meant it for His reasons which reasons are about His plan for this earth from the beginning, but which the doubters and deceived can never get to the understanding of, for their blindness.
There are no creation stories that pre-date the Hebrew.
The Edenic language is the mother tongue, and so any language other than the edenic -early Hebrew- is post babel rebellion and the fall of the tower -though Nimrod was a liar and a worshiper of false demonic gods, as "Jasher" shows.
The language was divided into 70 at Babel, as the ancient historians tell us [which are the roots for all the thousands grown out of them today], and no written language existed other than for the mother tongue, which all but the tribe of Eber lost, at Babel, until that time when men were scattered over the face of the earth which God divided to keep them further apart, not only in language but in distance, because of the great rebellion at the tower.
Noah was still alive, as was Shem, when Nimrod led the Babel [=gate of God] rebellion, aided by demons and fallen angels. so any and all writing other than early Hebrew is post Babel.
We have the copies of the writings of Enoch and the copies of the manuscripts written by the patriarchs after Enoch, in the Dead Sea manuscripts, and they are there in portions, come down through Eber's line, through Abraham, which Moses redacted for the history of all of them for the Book of Jasher [Book of the Upright], and which Moses further redacted for the Genesis accounts.
All written languages other than early Hebrew rose at the same time, shortly after the fall of the tower of Babel when the tongue was divided, and nothing other than ancient Hebrew [Edenic] had an aleph-bet until the language was divided, and new aleph-bets were made for the words to be written for the divided tongues. We have Abraham's own records in the DSS manuscripts [badly fragmented], and those records were redacted for the Book of Jasher, as I said.
And the most ancient Chinese written characters for their language after Babel [which date to shortly after the fall of the tower] show the Genesis account and the flood record as in Genesis, in those characters, agreeing totally with the Genesis account.
The book, "God's Promise to the Chinese" shows the ancient Chinese Oracle Bone Writing characters and the story of creation and redemption in them.
Even the ancient Egyptians worshiped the One True God, shortly after Babel, because Abraham taught them from the Book of Enoch only about forty years after the fall of the tower, and so they worshiped Him -the One True God- as "the Amen" after that, in truth, until they changed his truth into a lie, as Paul said all men of all nations did do, who once knew God -Romans 1. -and Jesus reveals that He is indeed the True and Faithful Witness, the God, "Amen", in Rev 3, who was formerly hidden in secret, in heaven [as Enoch reveals Him to have been], and now come in flesh and revealed] ,
Since you obviously haven't done any research at all in this area....for there are many origin/creation stories that predate ours....I will end this here until you have something of substance to contribute.
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