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No, not according to the Bible. Bible repeats over and over that one must come to the light and believe in Christ to be saved.
Accrding to the universalist belief all people are saved, and that means there is no need to know Christ. It's pretty plain and simple.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Believe, or perish. Now, THAT is plain and simple, and it also happens to be from the most famous Bible verse.
An atheist could look at that verse and conclude that (I don't believe this): "The Bible is a lie because it says whoever believes in him shall not perish, but I known many Christians who believed on him and still perished."
Christians understand that this doesn't promise we will never perish in this lifetime, but we will not perish in the afterlife. God's timeline for His promises are not the same as ours.
There are as many beliefs on this forum as there are people, but I think that when someone dies who never accepted Christ (perishable) they are dead in the grave until "death is swallowed up in victory." But, if someone dies who has accepted Christ (imperishable), they never perish and go on to eternal life at that time. Death would certainly have a victory if the huge majority of mankind perished or even worse, burned in hell for eternity...forever...and ever....and ever....still burning today...tomorrow....next year....next decade....next century...etc. That would be quite a victory for death.
1 Corinthians 15:
54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”g 55“Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?”h 56The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
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No, not according to the Bible. Bible repeats over and over that one must come to the light and believe in Christ to be saved.
Accrding to the universalist belief all people are saved, and that means there is no need to know Christ. It's pretty plain and simple.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Believe, or perish. Now, THAT is plain and simple, and it also happens to be from the most famous Bible verse.
Yeah.. I think you are misunderstanding for sure now... whether in ignorance or on purpose I cannot tell.
But URers (at least I do anyway) believe that the grace of God (what you term salvation, right?) is the beginning of belief... Therefore all men are saved so they CAN come to God.. if they are not saved first they CANNOT come to God.. they are blind.
But URers (at least I do anyway) believe that the grace of God (what you term salvation, right?) is the beginning of belief... Therefore all men are saved so they CAN come to God.. if they are not saved first they CANNOT come to God.. they are blind.
Did that help?
It would help if you answered this question I asked earlier.
All people are already saved, or will be automatically saved: Yes or No?
It would help if you answered this question I asked earlier.
All people are already saved, or will be automatically saved: Yes or No?
Sry.. must've missed that one.....
I will counter with a question.. Does Christ die again each time someone is saved or did this all happen once, on the cross?
and yes all people now are saved under the covenant of grace.
I think of it as more like being literally BORN with the belief that you can commune with God (knowing him and his son)... I know I was... Before the cross it took a priest and holy words... a sacrifice or two.. etc.
and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
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I cannot tell.