Cincinnati Streetcar Under Construction (Perry: 2015, foreclosures, vs.)

[unusualfire]

Originally Posted by flashes1

I don't live in Cincy, but I work here, so a great amount of my money is being earmarked to the streetcar so that gives me a dog in this fight. I think the streetcar's a great idea if it's finanancially self-sufficient. However, nothing I've seen suggests it will be cash flow positive which means the tax payers will be on the hook for the losses just like we are for the Freedom Center's losses.

OH? what that great amount you pay for the street car? $2? I beti pay more to your projects in your twp or city through sales tax or taxes in general or what ever. I don;t get to chime in on those projects that you have . Weather its resurfacing of road or state and federal grants. Ohio Where do you get your water? Maybe your city should build it's own water and sewer plants instead of leeching on the city of Cincinnati.

[kjbrill]

Originally Posted by flashes1

I don't live in Cincy, but I work here, so a great amount of my money is being earmarked to the streetcar so that gives me a dog in this fight. I think the streetcar's a great idea if it's finanancially self-sufficient. However, nothing I've seen suggests it will be cash flow positive which means the tax payers will be on the hook for the losses just like we are for the Freedom Center's losses.

Oh you mean because you pay City income tax you feel entitled to express an opinion on what they do with it? How naive.

And you are ignoring the prestige factor which will eventually allow Cincinnati to pretend to be Portland. You should commend Cincinnati for hanging in there in the face of great adversity from some perceived opposition which the voters settled well over a year ago. Oh, if there are contentions over certain expenditures that does not count, it is not a failure of not being addressed in the early stages of the project but that persistent opposition.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by kjbrill

Oh you mean because you pay City income tax you feel entitled to express an opinion on what they do with it? How naive.

It seems you guys, who are against the streetcar, are the ones who get upset by people who support it because we tend to answer your accusations with common sense and facts. But over and over again you guys are confronted with the same set of facts and developments, and over and over you build the most unrealistic expectations for the city of Cincinnati to follow. As if all of us who support the street car, and the city itself, should take great pains to answer to you.

I'm amused by it all, really.

[flashes1]

Originally Posted by unusualfire

OH? what that great amount you pay for the street car? $2? I beti pay more to your projects in your twp or city through sales tax or taxes in general or what ever. I don;t get to chime in on those projects that you have . Weather its resurfacing of road or state and federal grants. Ohio Where do you get your water? Maybe your city should build it's own water and sewer plants instead of leeching on the city of Cincinnati.

I pay Cincinnati wage taxes, Cincinnati sales taxes, state of Ohio taxes, and U.S. federal taxes.......all these taxes go to pay for construction of your street car and its ongoing operating losses.....so you better believe I have a huge stake in it. The same people who agreed to the lavish city employee pensions (10% of the city's operating budget goes to pay for pensions------which will bankrupt the city within 5-10 years).......and gave us the lovely Freedom Center (that was money well spent), are the people making the decisions how to build the street car.

Sorry, but that doesn't give finanancially astute individuals a real warm & fuzzy feeling about your streetcar. It's called a vote of no-confidence.

[flashes1]

Originally Posted by kjbrill

Oh you mean because you pay City income tax you feel entitled to express an opinion on what they do with it? How naive.

You're dang right it makes me entitled to express an opinion on how my money's spent. I work hard for my money and I hate to see it wasted.

[Sarah Perry]

Originally Posted by TomJones123

No, not at all. Don't flatter yourself into thinking your point of view is somehow troublesome to me. You have your perspective and I have mine.

Thank you. In the past you've attacked me on a personal level for expressing my opinion. I appreciate the change.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by Sarah Perry

Thank you. In the past you've attacked me on a personal level for expressing my opinion. I appreciate the change.

Well, in all fairness, in the past we have been at each other on a personal level - it's not just me. So, I am happy to move onwards and upwards.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by flashes1

Sorry, but that doesn't give finanancially astute individuals a real warm & fuzzy feeling about your streetcar. It's called a vote of no-confidence.

Well, actually, it was voted in favor twice by citizens of Cincinnati. Sorry, but you have no vote in the matter.

[unusualfire]

Where is the outrage for the Brent Spence bridge? It's going to be tolled too? I don't see near the disagreement with that project than this one. And that thing is going to cost 30 times more than the streetcar when all is said and done.

[abr7rmj]

Originally Posted by TomJones123

It seems you guys, who are against the streetcar, are the ones who get upset by people who support it because we tend to answer your accusations with common sense and facts. But over and over again you guys are confronted with the same set of facts and developments, and over and over you build the most unrealistic expectations for the city of Cincinnati to follow. As if all of us who support the street car, and the city itself, should take great pains to answer to you.

I'm amused by it all, really.

I continue to also be amused by the constant rehashing of the same arguments by the anti crowd. It's not working. The streetcar is being built - period. Accept it and move on.

Why continue to be obsessed about something that you can't change?

As for the complaining about the delays: Massive infrastructure projects aren't just like tearing down an old Taco Bell and building a new one. They're complicated, complex and, at times, tricky. Cincinnati's timeline and delays aren't all that different from what other cities have gone through. Heck, I75 through downtown Dayton has been an absolute construction nightmare for the better part of the past decade, and work still isn't projected to be finished until 2017 or later.