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Both Sickkids and CCH are world class hospitals and that is why we have chosen to do a stint in both hospitals prior to returning to our home country.
It does appear that we will need to up our budget if we are wanting to live close to the hospital. Apologies for my ignorance, when people have referred to "downtown" which areas does that include?
What are the key sites to look for rentals? I've checked zillow, apartments guide, craigslist, gaslight property
Jim, Cincinnati is a dichotomy. I live in a suburb of Cincinnati that is probably not duplicated anywhere in Toronto. No crime, walkable (62 restaurants I can walk to), next to a lovely public park and a 10 minute drive to work, which is, incidentally in a 150 year old converted residence nestled among the most perfect collection of unmolested Victorian structures in the US (PEndleton). I have a black transplant surgeon and a Peruvian Indian among my immediate neighbors and you could buy my 5 bedroom 4 1/2 bath 1927 Tudor home on 3/4 of an acre with an in ground pool for $600,000. We have an acclaimed symphony, ballet, modern architecture, major US corporate headquarters of several Fortune 500 companies. And, I live 1000 feet from the most desirable public school in Cincinnati. And, while the life expectancy is higher in Canada than the US, the life expectancy in my zipcode, is five years longer than Toronto's. We are healthy here. And, although you misread the OP's statement on sexual preference, Cincinnati has a 100% perfect rating for Gay and Lesbian friendliness.
So, while I am sure there are places in Cincinnati that a Torontoan would not care to live, I am not sure your sweeping statement is accurate. I am sure I would not want to live in a $900 per month apartment in Toronto.
I've actually lived in a 900 dollar apartment in DT Toronto (Jarvis and Wellesley) right beside the gay villiage and it is perfectly safe, walkable and in one of the largest, busiest and dense DT cores in N.A.. For a single guy or couple it is a GREAT place close to all the urban action. The great thing about Toronto is that in its core it is extremely safe.. Some suburbs have their shady areas but by and large Toronto is an extremely safe city and overall crime rates in Toronto are far lower than overall crime rates in any U.S city of size including Cincy.
As for life expectancy - you can't Cherry pick a zip code and compare it against a city of 2.8 million and metro of 6.5 million lol - you have to make an apples to apples comparison.. Either compare the City or metro of Cincy vs the City or metro of Toronto or compare like Zip with like Postal Codes.
Buying a house in Toronto is very expensive and even a modest home can fetch 700-800K but it is because Toronto is a huge and growing city in high demand - not just locals but international buyers - it is what it is.. The bigger and more prominent you become the more expensive the housing will be!
I've been to Cincy and I actually think it is underated and great city!! Best in Ohio imo but a Cosmo/International World class city on the level of Toronto umm not quite. Toronto is just on another level yet at the same time it might actually be 'too much' for alot of people... Cincy is a more manageable city in terms of lifestyle and slower paced.
Nothing compared with what goes on in CCHMC where a close family member is a MD. People from Canada, China, Saudi, etc. come to it, not vice versa.
I have no clue why you would think people from outside Canada wouldn't come to Sick Kids or other Toronto area hospitals.. They do... I'm sure CCHMC is a great hospital (and if it is more renown than Sick Kids its a good thing for it because Sick Kids is an amazing facility) but you really need to learn more about Sick Kids.. Most Canadians go to Canadians hospitals for treatment btw.
I'm shocked at how expensive things are in Toronto. New York prices without all the amenities. A lot of HGTV shows take place in Toronto, and the disparity in housing prices and quality between Toronto and Cinti is appalling. A $600k house in Toronto is a veritable shack (by my standards).
Toronto doesn't have anything like Cincinnati Children's Hospital, a truly world class hospital with patients that fly from all over the world to see some of its specialists. I think the OP will be amazed with what's going on there coming from somewhere like Toronto.
Prices in Toronto are NOT NYC prices lol... While you are right - Toronto isn't NYC (what other Canadian/American city is - right none!) but it certainly has more amenities than Cincinatti (to be expected it is the largest city in a country and much larger than Cincy) and it holds its own as a cosmo and International destination against pretty much any other Canamerican city other than NYC.. Come up sometime and see for yourself.
There is nothing in Mt. Adams for $900 and no way to get to Childrens.
Isn't there a bus directly there? The rent budget is low, but if they could swing it Mt Adams is the safest neighborhood that also meets the active nightlife criteria.
Isn't there a bus directly there? The rent budget is low, but if they could swing it Mt Adams is the safest neighborhood that also meets the active nightlife criteria.
The service is poor. The 1 bus only runs every 45 minutes and only goes to the east side. From the West side of Mt. Adams, folks walk downtown from Van Meter across the walkway over 71 to catch the bus.
I guess you could get up to the UC Med center from there, but it would be a PITA for what is an 8 minute trip by car.
Both Sickkids and CCH are world class hospitals and that is why we have chosen to do a stint in both hospitals prior to returning to our home country.
It does appear that we will need to up our budget if we are wanting to live close to the hospital. Apologies for my ignorance, when people have referred to "downtown" which areas does that include?
What are the key sites to look for rentals? I've checked zillow, apartments guide, craigslist, gaslight property
You are looking for what is called the City, zipcode 45202, or the CBD. Consider properties with address under 1000 north to south or Streets south of Central Parkway. There are 30 apartment buildings in the Central Business District, more or less.
As for life expectancy - you can't Cherry pick a zip code and compare it against a city of 2.8 million and metro of 6.5 million lol - you have to make an apples to apples comparison.. Either compare the City or metro of Cincy vs the City or metro of Toronto or compare like Zip with like Postal Codes.
Sure you can. My premise is that for a person with a modest income, Cincinnati affords a luxurious lifestyle: safe, healthy, and intellectually stimulating. I live in a particular place. A single zipcode. The health, amenities and life expectancy of that place are relevant to me.
Jim made the broad statement that:
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Compared to Toronto, Cinncinati has to be a less attractive place to live, based on crime rates, drug use, and racial tensions. Add in that the op is in a same sex relationship[sic], and I can see problems, for sure.
Jim B. In Toronto.
I've been to Toronto. My aunt and uncle lived there for 40 years. Its just like any other big city. No better, no worse. If a person makes a mid six digit income there one can live well. About as well as a person of modest income here. It would be the same for Chicago, Philly, or Boston. Most people there and in Toronto live in undesirable conditions compared to how one can live here. Not the opposite as "Jim," posted up.
If someone said, "this is socialism. From now on you are getting $68,000 per year, no more, no less, (the median household income for Toronto -2012) and I lived in Toronto? The first thing I would do is move to Cincinnati.
Sure you can. My premise is that for a person with a modest income, Cincinnati affords a luxurious lifestyle: safe, healthy, and intellectually stimulating. I live in a particular place. A single zipcode. The health, amenities and life expectancy of that place are relevant to me..
I think your premise is exclusionary and tailored to your own experience as a potential outlier example. Naturally your own lifestyle and subjective preferences are relevant to you as are my own and Jim's. I think Jim's premise wasn't counter to your own or individual experiences, he was speaking in general terms in his estimation comparing broad populations in both cities in an observational way as opposed to measured.
Anyway, where is the data showing that your particular Zipcode is going to provide a higher life expectancy than any postal code in Toronto let alone Toronto as a whole??? I've actually never even seen anyone compare life expectancy of zip codes vs postal codes but if you have the granularity of such comparitive data between Cincy and Toronto i'd be glad to see it. What is the overall life expectancy in Cincy vs Toronto? If it is a few years more in one over the other than i'd say Jim made a fair statement (even though the necessity of mentioning it in the first place is questionable) if that city is Toronto and would conclude that you and those like you are more of an exception in your city as opposed to the rule. The majority count in terms of overall attractiveness of a city. Heck any city in the world has its desirable parts but its small consolation if the majority aren't doing so well or even a disproportionate amount compared to another place with better overall QOL reaching more of the populace in relative terms. I don't think there are huge differences between median family lifestyles in either Cincy or Toronto but in terms of overall QOL taking into account income inequality, safety and urban appeal Toronto probably comes out on top. This isn't to say all of Toronto has better QOL, safety and urban appeal than all of Cincy or that Toronto is going to be the better city to live in for everyone.
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Jim made the broad statement that:
I've been to Toronto. My aunt and uncle lived there for 40 years. Its just like any other big city. No better, no worse. If a person makes a mid six digit income there one can live well. About as well as a person of modest income here. It would be the same for Chicago, Philly, or Boston. Most people there and in Toronto live in undesirable conditions compared to how one can live here. Not the opposite as "Jim," posted up.
If someone said, "this is socialism. From now on you are getting $68,000 per year, no more, no less, (the median household income for Toronto -2012) and I lived in Toronto? The first thing I would do is move to Cincinnati.
Again, no city is going to be the best option for everyone, but there are some reasonably general statements we can make for 'most' individuals or in an estimation a larger number in one over the other.
Speaking of broad statements, saying Toronto is no better or worse than any other large city is your opinion and that opinion isn't necessarily shared with everyone. Having said that, I think most would agree, Toronto offers a greater urban experience than Cincinnati and you have offered ZERO evidence that Cincy is more intellectually stimulating a city than Toronto or Philly, Boston and Chicago for that matter. As I said, some people don't like 'big city' living and that is fair as preference of a city is a highly subjective thing.. Objectively and fairly however, Toronto is a city of more action and urban pursuits than Cincy and it is highly questionable that the average person in Cincy has a better lifestyle than the average person in Boston, Chicago or Toronto - I mean really lol.
What is the median family income in Cincy? What is the median family income in your Zipcode and are there any areas/P.C's in Toronto with a Median family income equal to or greater than your own..
Having said all that - yes, Housing in Toronto is expensive but at the same time it is a pretty solid investment... There are alot of wealthy people in Toronto. The city is ranked 15th for the most millionaires in the world by city.. Only NYC and L.A have more in Canamerica so socialism isn't too bad up here
People don't move to cities, they move to homes in neighborhoods. The city provides the amenities. The home and neighborhood is the shelter and the place where a person actually resides.
People in places like Toronto rationalize living in 525 square feet with a great view of a cooling tower on the building next door and a 45 minute commute to work by claiming ownership of millionaires they do not know, sports franchises they do not own, and museums and events that they mostly do not attend.
But, unlike Fresno and Tulsa and Norfolk, Cincinnati has all of those things and a COL Index in the 90 range.
If you move here, you do not have to live in a neighborhood with crime, drugs, and bad race relations as you seem to believe, any more than a Torontoan millionaire would have to live in the aboriginal ghettos.
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