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View Poll Results: Brooklyn vs. Philadelphia
Brooklyn 109 52.66%
Philadelphia 98 47.34%
Voters: 207. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-07-2011, 07:33 PM
 
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LOL City-data makes no since Chicago beats Philly, Brooklyn beats Chicago, but somehow Phily beats Brooklyn??
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Old 08-07-2011, 09:00 PM
 
Location: back in Philadelphia!
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That "economy" stat is tricky...because I guess you're supposed to ignore the fact many in Brooklyn (obviously) have jobs in Manhattan. But LOTS of reverse-commuting people in Philly work in the suburbs, which I think people don't take into account so much.
But stuff like that is why I hate all these 'borough vs city' threads.
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Old 08-09-2011, 12:27 PM
 
Location: NY-NJ-Philly looks down at SF and laughs at the hippies
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Kidphilly, this was a good thread idea!

- Nightlife - Philadelphia
- Diversity (economy) - Philadelphia
- Diversity (culture/people) - Tie
- Languages spoken - Brooklyn
- Education - Philadelphia (college level)
- Lifestyle - Philadelphia for a higher quality
- Friendly people - Tie
- Climate - Tie
- Medicine (Hospitals, clinics, health related things) - Philadelphia
- Natural scenery - Tie
- Shopping - Philadelphia
- Economy overall - Philadelphia
- Population city proper - Brooklyn has a higher population
- Benefits from location - Brooklyn
- Public Transportation - Tie, both are livable without a car
- Airports - Philadelphia
- Skyline - Philadelphia for size, architecture is tie
- Vibrancy of downtown - Philadelphia
- Museums - Tie
- Theater, Music, & Arts scene - Tie
- History - Tie
- Parks - Prospect Park vs. Rittenhouse Square and Love Park, Tie
- Food - Tie

This comparison was extremely hard for me. Philadelphia is my 2nd or 3rd favorite city in this country and Brooklyn would be in my top 5 if they became an independent city.
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Old 08-09-2011, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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How does Brooklyn beat Philly in bus service or overall transit connectivity? The most significant thing about Philly is that it's a grid, so buses mostly run north-south, east west. Usually there is a street with buses within a block or two of any location downtown. Using the subway, you can get to any part of the city with one change of train and then a bus. I always see more buses when I am in Philly than I see in Brooklyn, cabs too. Of course it's a neat trick that the subway in Brooklyn takes you to Manhattan. One fact, I know a few Brooklyn residents whose subway commutes take as long as an Amtrak train takes to go from 30'th st. Station, Phila to Penn Station, NYC.

The map on the first page also leaves out west Philly's trolley service, the Girard Ave. trolley line, and the Norristown high speed line.

PATCO is absolutely a subway, each car is self-powered, uses a 'third rail' and it is underground in all of Philly through Camden, then it becomes an elevated line. Everything about it is recognizable as a subway including 24-hour operation. The tracks even used to be connected to the Broad St. line through the broad-ridge spur although today the connection is severed.

http://www.philadelphiatransitvehicles.info/Patco.php

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Philly's Subway and El (Not including PATCO since thats a railroad:



Can't see how public transit is tied tho. Theres probably more extensive bus service in Brooklyn than Philly too, matter of fact I know it is.

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Old 08-09-2011, 01:08 PM
 
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How does Brooklyn beat Philly in bus service or overall transit connectivity?
Brooklyn is far more transit-oriented than Philly, and Brooklyn has much higher transit coverage.

It's much denser, and no residence is more than a short stroll to transit.
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Old 08-09-2011, 01:17 PM
 
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LOL City-data makes no since Chicago beats Philly, Brooklyn beats Chicago, but somehow Phily beats Brooklyn??

It's because this website, especially City vs. City is filled with morons.
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Old 08-09-2011, 02:33 PM
 
Location: back in Philadelphia!
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OK, I guess I'll do the poll (event though I still hate borough vs city comparisons!), simply because I have lived in both places pretty extensively (Philly for 30 years, Brooklyn for 7 years), and know them both very well.

- Nightlife - Brooklyn. At least for my kind of nightlife. I dont like casinos . Also many more things are open later than in Philly.

- Diversity (economy) - this seems kind of bogus, but I'll say Philly, only because of the prominent presence of some corporate HQ's (which in NYC tend to locate in Manhattan, which is where Brooklyn's main CBD is located...). But in other aspects of the local economy, I would say that Brooklyn's economy is actually more extensive and more diverse, largely due to size.

- Diversity (culture/people) - Brooklyn, pretty easily.

- Languages spoken - Brooklyn.

- Higher Education - Philadelphia, only because of Penn being in the city proper.

- Lifestyle - Philadelphia is a lot cheaper which means that most people can afford a better standard of housing (which is more or less important to different people). But I think cost aside, Brooklyn given half a chance offers everything Philly does, and much more. So I guess that's a tie.

- Friendly people - Brooklyn, only because there is this particular ingrained aggro attitude among many poor & working class people in Philly that is markedly absent in Brooklyn, and is one thing that I do not miss about Philly.

- Climate - it's the same climate.

- Medicine (Hospitals, clinics, health related things) - Philadelphia easily. Brooklyn hospitals are awful.

- Natural scenery - In the city? I guess Brooklyn because there's beaches and an ocean and more vistas and whatnot.

- Shopping - Philly by a nose, but this is sort of silly. I think Philly has slightly more diversity (eg: there's an apple store in the city proper), but Brooklyn has more volume and variety.

- Economy overall - how do you fairly compare this? I'll say n/a

- Population city proper - , if bigger means better, then Brooklyn since there's a million more people.

- Benefits from location - Brooklyn, because it's part of NYC.

- Public Transportation - Brooklyn. Septa is good, but the MTA is more reliable and a better system in nearly every aspect.

- Airports - Philadelphia, because Brooklyn doesn't really have one.

- Skyline - duh Philly, but before 1986 they were very similar. There are some new tall buildings in Brooklyn, but they're pretty forgettable.

- Vibrancy of downtown - Brooklyn, if you compare apples to apples with Center City and count the downtown Brooklyn neighborhoods (Brooklyn Heights, Cobble Hill, Carroll Gardens, Fort Greene, DUMBO, and arguably Prospect Heights and Park Slope) along with the political/business center.

- Museums - Philadelphia. This one is easy.

- Theater, Music, & Arts scene - Brooklyn, by a lot.

- History - Philly. Both are pretty interesting historically, but much Brooklyn history has been erased and built over, whereas in Philly it's right in your face.

- Parks - Philly is no slouch, but I have to say Brooklyn by a nose. Philly really has nothing to compare to Prospect Park in terms of the combination of design, good maintenance, many activities, accessibility, and (c-d's favorite term...)vibrancy. And Brooklyn has lovely small parks as well, not to mention beaches. Philly has some gems, but many of its parks really should be better, considering how much acreage per capita is there.

- Food - this is close. Philly has a definite edge for fancy food, but Brooklyn has an edge for cheap & ethnic foods, as well as overall choice & variety.

and if I can add:

- Safety - Brooklyn. Coming from Philly I was almost tickled by what "bad" neighborhoods in present day Brooklyn are considered to be.
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Old 08-09-2011, 02:51 PM
 
Location: back in Philadelphia!
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How does Brooklyn beat Philly in bus service or overall transit connectivity? The most significant thing about Philly is that it's a grid, so buses mostly run north-south, east west. Usually there is a street with buses within a block or two of any location downtown. Using the subway, you can get to any part of the city with one change of train and then a bus. I always see more buses when I am in Philly than I see in Brooklyn, cabs too. Of course it's a neat trick that the subway in Brooklyn takes you to Manhattan. One fact, I know a few Brooklyn residents whose subway commutes take as long as an Amtrak train takes to go from 30'th st. Station, Phila to Penn Station, NYC.

The map on the first page also leaves out west Philly's trolley service, the Girard Ave. trolley line, and the Norristown high speed line.

PATCO is absolutely a subway, each car is self-powered, uses a 'third rail' and it is underground in all of Philly through Camden, then it becomes an elevated line. Everything about it is recognizable as a subway including 24-hour operation. The tracks even used to be connected to the Broad St. line through the broad-ridge spur although today the connection is severed.
The big difference is that the MTA subway, even in Brooklyn, actually functions largely as a stand-alone system. People will live here for years, not have a car, and never take a bus. The bus and express bus system (which is also quite extensive) is an overlaid secondary system which picks up the slack and is good for people who have trouble with stairs or don't have a convenient enough subway stop. I wouldn't downplay the MTA bus system though. It's really very good in terms of reliability, coverage, and frequency of service.
http://sromalewski.files.wordpress.c...rooklynbus.png

In Philly, the subway sort of functions more like a spine for the bus system, and for the most part doesn't really get you from destination to destination by itself.

And you don't see a lot of cabs in Brooklyn (or at least you THINK you don't) because most cabs in Brooklyn are not yellow cabs, and are unmarked car service. There are TONS of car service companies everywhere though. Yellow cabs mainly just go in and out of manhattan and do a little bit of side business in the boroughs. it's a weird system, but it works.
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Old 08-09-2011, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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How does Brooklyn beat Philly in bus service or overall transit connectivity?
How? Pretty darn easy if you really wanna know.

Check out the Brooklyn Bus map:

http://www.mta.info/nyct/maps/busbkln.pdf
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Old 08-09-2011, 06:31 PM
 
Location: NC
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LOL City-data makes no since Chicago beats Philly, Brooklyn beats Chicago, but somehow Phily beats Brooklyn??
We're a fickle bunch
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