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on education, I think the part that seperates the two is at the metro level
add in likes of
Villanova
Swartmore
Bryn Mawr
Ursinus
Arcadia
U of DE
etc
and some other like a West Chester plus you did not list St Joes and LaSalle plus Princeton but a story for to many other threads...
Also would give the nod to Philly on the Medical School front though with Pittsburgh not bad at all, especially for its size also on arts schools for Philly
I think Pittsburgh is under rated nationally, and puches above its weight for its size and is heading in the right direction, I like Pittsburgh a lot and prefer Philly but its home...
My numbers came from the U.S. Census Bureau's 2014 American Community Survey dataset.
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Originally Posted by Katarina Witt
Since you are referring to the Pittsburgh MSA, I'd wager a bet that most of the mid-westerners are from eastern Ohio, and most of the southerners from northern and NW West Virginia. Detroit is farther away, mentally, than Baltimore/DC. Chicago and even Cincinnati are in a different country. Pittsburgh beams east to southeast, not midwest.
Pittsburgh also seems mentally far if you're from Philadelphia. I can leave my parents house and get to Richmond faster than I could Pittsburgh.
I don't think most Philadelphians know that much about Pittsburgh, particularly if you're talking about the city of Philadelphia, which is majority-minority. I had friends who went to Pitt and CMU but otherwise we didn't grow up hearing much about it.
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Pittsburgh and Cleveland? There isn't a competition, you clearly don't know what you are talking about.
I said there's more of a rivalry between Pittsburgh and Cleveland than there is between Pittsburgh and Philly. What rivalry is there between Pittsburgh and Philadelphia?
Pittsburgh trades majority of it population (both in-migration and out-migration) with the NEC than before any Midwest Cities, including Cleveland. So much for the Burgh being soooo totally and completely Midwest.
This is also true for Cleveland. New York tends to be at the top of the list in terms of in(out)migration for a lot of metros. New York is the largest sender of domestic migrants because it is the largest MSA in the United States.
This raises an interesting question though. Are Philly and NYC more on Raleigh's radar than cities like Atlanta, Richmond or Columbia since Raleigh-Durham has more population interchange with the Northeast Megalopolis than it does with its Southern neighbors?
I don't see how you have these threads on C-D where people are arguing over whether Philly has the second or third best (or perhaps fourth best) downtown in America and then say that Pittsburgh and Philly are tied in vibrancy. Even with all of Philadelphia's blighted neighborhoods, there are still way more good, walkable neighborhoods than there are in Pittsburgh. If Pittsburgh and Philly are tied here, then I think we should start talking about Pittsburgh's vibrancy along with the likes of San Francisco, Seattle, DC, Boston, etc.
You could also say that Baltimore and Philly are tied if Pittsburgh and Philly are tied wrt vibrancy.
Philadelphia in the east, Pittsburgh in the west, and Alabama in the middle. Thus quoth James Carville.
Yyyeeeaaahhh, about that quote...
White vote percentage for Barack Obama by county in Pennsylvania and Alabama (2012)
81% - Philadelphia County
61% - Lackawanna County
53% - Erie County
50% - Montgomery County
49% - Allegheny County
49% - Delaware County
48% - Luzerne County
46% - Bucks County
46% - Lehigh County
46% - Monroe County
46% - Northampton County
45% - Centre County 44% - PENNSYLVANIA
43% - Carbon County
43% - Chester County
43% - Mercer County
42% - Berks County
41% - Beaver County
41% - Clinton County
41% - Fayette County
41% - Lawrence County
41% - Wyoming County
40% - Columbia County
40% - Elk County
39% - Dauphin County
39% - Schuylkill County
39% - Warren County
39% - Washington County
37% - Greene County
37% - Pike County
36% - Cambria County
36% - Crawford County
36% - Greene County
36% - Indiana County
36% - Montour County
36% - Northumberland County
36% - Susquehanna County
35% - Cumberland County
35% - Wayne County
34% - Bradford County
34% - Lancaster County
34% - Westmoreland County
33% - Venango County
32% - Cameron County
32% - Sullivan County
32% - York County
31% - Adams County
31% - Clearfield County
31% - McKean County
30% - Lebanon County
29% - Blair County
29% - Butler County
29% - Tioga County
29% - Union County
28% - Armstrong County
28% - Clarion County
28% - Colbert County
28% - Snyder County
27% - Lauderdale County
27% - Lycoming County
27% - Perry County
26% - Franklin County
26% - Jackson County
25% - Franklin County
25% - Huntingdon County
25% - Jefferson County
25% - Lawrence County
25% - Russell County
24% - Jefferson County
24% - Juniata County
24% - Potter County
24% - Somerset County
24% - Sumter County
23% - Bullock County
23% - Mifflin County
23% - Perry County
22% - Forest County
22% - Lowndes County
22% - Macon County
21% - Lee County
21% - Madison County
20% - Bedford County
20% - DeKalb County
20% - Montgomery County
19% - Etowah County
19% - Wilcox County
19% - Tuscaloosa County
18% - Calhoun County
18% - Cherokee County
18% - Fulton County
18% - Limestone County
18% - Marshall County
18% - Mobile County
18% - Morgan County
18% - Walker County
17% - Chambers County
17% - Conecuh County 16% - ALABAMA
16% - Barbour County
16% - Dallas County
16% - Marion County
16% - Talladega County
16% - Coosa County
15% - Baldwin County
15% - Hale County
14% - Butler County
14% - Clay County
14% - Cullman County
14% - Lamar County
14% - Randolph County
13% - Escambia County
13% - Fayette County
13% - Shelby County
13% - Tallapoosa County
13% - Winston County
12% - Choctaw County
12% - Cleburne County
12% - Crenshaw County
12% - Dale County
12% - Marengo County
12% - Monroe County
12% - Pickens County
12% - Pike County
12% - Washington County
11% - Autauga County
11% - Bibb County
11% - Blount County
11% - Clarke County
11% - Covington County
10% - Chilton County
10% - Elmore County
10% - Geneva County
10% - Henry County
10% - St. Clair County
9% - Coffee County
9% - Houston County
(NOTE: Counties in Pennsylvania are shaded in BLUE. Counties in Alabama are shaded in RED. Each state has 67 counties.)
Notice how stratified the chart is. The colors really don't blend much at all. Most of the counties on the half of the chart are in Pennsylvania, and most of the counties on the bottom half of the chart are in Alabama, so I think it's beyond time to stop using that goddamn quote on the grounds that it's proven not to be accurate, especially considering James Carville said it when trying to summarize VOTING PATTERNS!!!
By the way, Greene County, AL (the high outlier for Alabama on the chart) had only 1,575 white residents in 2010, including non-voters and people under 18, so Barack Obama more than likely received fewer than 1,000 white votes in that county.
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Originally Posted by jas75
I've heard this saying before but I don't think central Pennsylvania and Alabama really have that much in common - other than being fairly conservative (AL more so) and dominated by rural areas and small to medium sized cities. The demographics, development patterns, economy, history, and climate are all very different.
Along similar lines, Birmingham has been called 'Pittsburgh of the South' due to the heavy industry background (which has long since transitioned in both areas) and the hilly terrain. But Pittsburgh is vastly larger and more urban oriented - and in my opinion, has little in common with anywhere in the South.
Just my thoughts ...
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Seriously, the last few pages of this topic made me want to punch somebody until you provided some very useful impartial analysis.
I don't see how you have these threads on C-D where people are arguing over whether Philly has the second or third best (or perhaps fourth best) downtown in America and then say that Pittsburgh and Philly are tied in vibrancy. Even with all of Philadelphia's blighted neighborhoods, there are still way more good, walkable neighborhoods than there are in Pittsburgh. If Pittsburgh and Philly are tied here, then I think we should start talking about Pittsburgh's vibrancy along with the likes of San Francisco, Seattle, DC, Boston, etc.
You could also say that Baltimore and Philly are tied if Pittsburgh and Philly are tied wrt vibrancy.
yeah Phillys core DT (ie vibrant part is probably at least half the population of all of Pittsburgh and there are likely more vibrant areas in the metro as well (places like the main line, West Chester, Pheonixville, Doylestown etc) which there are ore of and in the city you throw in areas like Manyunk or Chestnut hill, parts of West Philly (not U City) etc and not sure I agree at all but Pittsburgh int bad its just smaller with fewer of these places in and of themselves can be vibrant but really no true answer for the greater CC area based on my experience
I don't see how you have these threads on C-D where people are arguing over whether Philly has the second or third best (or perhaps fourth best) downtown in America and then say that Pittsburgh and Philly are tied in vibrancy. Even with all of Philadelphia's blighted neighborhoods, there are still way more good, walkable neighborhoods than there are in Pittsburgh. If Pittsburgh and Philly are tied here, then I think we should start talking about Pittsburgh's vibrancy along with the likes of San Francisco, Seattle, DC, Boston, etc.
You could also say that Baltimore and Philly are tied if Pittsburgh and Philly are tied wrt vibrancy.
See more Booster BS.... Neither B'more nor Philly has Neighborhood vibrancy of Pittsburgh, which is why Downtown Pittsburgh until recently was serverly lacking, because all of the Would be Downtown amenities in any other city is located in the Neighborhoods of Pittsburgh..
The Burgh punches FAR above what its Population numbers suggest, really Pittsburgh at street level easily seems like a city of 700k people, everything about it functions like one. Every visitor to city is amazed at how vibrant and pulsating a city of only 300k. It's truly mind blowing.
Visit sometime, it's a nice trip. That's if you can stand to leave that East Coast "Your Not One Of Us" bubble for 5 mins. We know anywhere west of Lancaster is foreign land and you need your passport, but you'll be fine..
See more Booster BS.... Neither B'more nor Philly has Neighborhood vibrancy of Pittsburgh, which is why Downtown Pittsburgh until recently was serverly lacking, because all of the Would be Downtown amenities in any other city is located in the Neighborhoods of Pittsburgh..
lol.. Tell us some specifics come on now.
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