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Pittsburgh? I don't see Pittsburgh as being on the same level as Denver. And I don't see Pittsburgh being above Charlotte and Cleveland at all. Pittsburgh continues to bleed population while Denver and Charlotte are growing.
Pittsburgh still has over 2,000,000 people in its metropolitan area, has a gross metropolitan product of over $100B, and does well in terms of educational attainment among adults ages 25+, both in terms of percentage and percent growth. (Narrow the age range down to 25-44, and the numbers are even more impressive.)
The population that's being bled are mostly either elderly or with lower education levels.
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The results of the 2010 census will again show a hefty population decline within the city limits, and the region has shown- up until recently- little growth in terms of international and domestic migration. But unlike places like Detroit or Cleveland, where a slow, spiraling decline of industry and population are exacerbating underlying dysfunctional conditions and dependency on old models of growth, Pittsburgh is undergoing a peculiar demographic turnover wherein more people are dying within the city than are being born and/or moving in at present.
How is Cleveland a 3rd tier city...well just read the thread... hrmm.. seems nobody can agree.
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Definitely Jacksonville, it's the best city for this poll. It has the most culture, attractions, night life, and revenue, plus all those tall buildings downtown.
OMG
I can't believe even the biggest Jacksonville homer saying that with a straight face.
There certainly are some very "eye popping" musings and commentaries in this thread ... As far as placing cities in an appropriate tier system, I think that placing Cleveland as 3rd tier ... that is INSANE! Cleveland may be down "a bit" ( like so many other cities ) ... but it's FAR FROM BEING OUT
"Cleveland is a city that rose to national and even world prominence long before most of these other cities had any more than 40 stoplights total" Cleveland is an important and beautiful city ... rife with the same type of worldly accompaniments and endowments that one often sees in cities like New York, Chicago or Philadelphia ...
fabulous architecture, world class cultural venues ... museums that are secondary to no other, a world renowned orchestra, world class healthcare and spacious and sprawling suburbs ... it's all here
Cleveland is certainly poised to reclaim lost ground too ... so many large and important projects have veen completed or are impending within the city and it's metro area.
I've just relocated "back to Cleveland" and I'm utterly amazed at the progressiveness and the level of construction / major projects that are beginning to revitalize and transform the city.
As far as a tier system, I would confidently rankCleveland as tier # 1 with regards to it's vast cultural offerings and endowments and it's rising prominence in the healthcare / biosciences industry.
Here are two videos I enjoy sharing ... showcasing Cleveland as it is, "trials to triumph"
Ok. Before I begin, I'd like to say again that this is how most people would consider the first two tiers:
Tier 1:
New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, Washington DC (we all know NYC is in its own category and is far ahead of any other city in the country but let's just put these other cities in there just to keep this tidy)
Let's take a look how these cities all stack up in terms of GDP (alphabetically):
Atlanta: $269.799B
Boston: $299.590B
Chicago: $560.672B
Dallas: $379.863B
Houston: $403.202B
Los Angeles: $717.884B
Miami: $261.263B
New York City: $1,264.896B
Philadelphia: $331.897B
Washington DC: $395.747B
Cleveland: $104.425B
Cleveland in no way compares to any of the aforementioned cities in terms of importance.
You mention Cleveland's prominence in the health care/life sciences industry. The Cleveland Clinic is amazing, no one can deny that...but Cleveland doesn't rank in the Top 11 for life sciences (similarly sized Raleigh-Durham, Minneapolis, and Seattle rank). It's certainly not in the top tier in this area. The Cleveland Clinic is. Cleveland itself is not.
Cleveland does have fantastic cultural offerings, but that only goes so far.
This isn't intended to be an attack on Cleveland. Just a call for some form of sanity.
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OMG
I can't believe even the biggest Jacksonville homer saying that with a straight face.
Yea I don't think anyone would be that insane...I'm going to just assume you must have misinterpreted some sarcasm.
Pittsburgh is not a 5th tier city.....gawd do you people use any other metrics for judging cities besides population counts......Pittsburgh and Allegheny county have projected population GROWTH in the last 2 years.....so the Losing population arguement is old....
Pittsburgh would be 3rd or 4th tier city based om what metrics you use..
I put a little more thought into my tier list than just population counts. If Pittsburgh is in the same ranks as Seattle, Minneapolis, or Denver which IMO are tier 4 areas, then it's at the bottom of that tier. The Minneapolis area, for example, is home to 20 Fortune 500 headquarters; the Pittsburgh area has 8. Minneapolis has a GMP of $192.4 B; Pittsburgh's is $114.6 B.
But the Methodology outline in the OP is based on my than just how many corporate HQ are based in a city.
Pittsburgh definitely ranks amongst the same as Seattle, Minneapolis, Denver, Portland but not sure its at the bottom when you add factors outlined in the OP....
I mean Culturally, Pittsburgh ranks amongst the best of them
Economically, Pittsburgh has one of the LOWEST unemployment rates of Big Cities, only DC and Boston have lower....not to mention its one of the best cities for income growth.
Politics...Pittsburgh was the G20 host, and now has more of an International presence, but not sure any of these "Tier 3/4" cities have much political power on a national level.
Influence again none of these cities have much influences outside their core areas.
But the Methodology outline in the OP is based on my than just how many corporate HQ are based in a city.
Pittsburgh definitely ranks amongst the same as Seattle, Minneapolis, Denver, Portland but not sure its at the bottom when you add factors outlined in the OP....
I mean Culturally, Pittsburgh ranks amongst the best of them
Economically, Pittsburgh has one of the LOWEST unemployment rates of Big Cities, only DC and Boston have lower....not to mention its one of the best cities for income growth.
Politics...Pittsburgh was the G20 host, and now has more of an International presence, but not sure any of these "Tier 3/4" cities have much political power on a national level.
Influence again none of these cities have much influences outside their core areas.
Pittsburgh is not with Seattle and Denver for sure and its has a low employment because of all the people in the city leaving and opening up jobs.
Too many Pittsburgh homers??? to what NY, LA, SF, Chicago, Philadelphia, Houston, Atlanta, DC homers on here.
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Pittsburgh is not with Seattle and Denver for sure and its has a low employment because of all the people in the city leaving and opening up jobs.
You cannot be serious???? if you are, you've just lost all credibility with this statement.
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