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Old 06-08-2019, 06:30 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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It's not the DC CSA, it is the Baltimore-Washington CSA. You can flip it how you want, but Baltimore is the OTHER prominent name in this designation.
Sure, if you want to do it by alphabetical order. It doesn't make a difference to me, because I think CSAs are generally a bit too incoherent to count for much. I do like it more when there's a nice general term rather than just something like Greater ___ or the ___ metropolitan area. However, since this is about definitions, I get the idea that someone would take the DC CSA at face value along with the ten million park and say that given current CSA populations and growth rates, DC CSA will hit ten million before the other two CSAs closing in on ten million (SF and Chicago).

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This country as big as it is, was not built to have so many "mega cities" more so than multiple major metropolises with large a suburban area. Mega cities normally form in countries where there is only a couple major metros in the whole nation save for China. Most foreign mega cities urban area is so dense and strong that many of them literally feel like people are piled on top of each other because it's so dense. Many of America's largest cities are dense but not as urbanized or vast as compared to mega cities of the world like Shanghai, Manila, Bangkok, or Lagos. America is full of big ole metro areas with a lot of suburban sprawl and medium size city proper.
Yea, there were a lot of policies that subsidized further and further sprawl. I greatly dislike it, though that's my preference. It's economically wasteful, ecologically harmful compared to other development patterns, and simply makes for relatively boring cities in my opinion.
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Old 06-08-2019, 06:53 PM
 
Location: BMORE!
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Sure, if you want to do it by alphabetical order. It doesn't make a difference to me, because I think CSAs are generally a bit too incoherent to count for much. I do like it more when there's a nice general term rather than just something like Greater ___ or the ___ metropolitan area. However, since this is about definitions, I get the idea that someone would take the DC CSA at face value along with the ten million park and say that given current CSA populations and growth rates, DC CSA will hit ten million before the other two CSAs closing in on ten million (SF and Chicago).



Yea, there were a lot of policies that subsidized further and further sprawl. I greatly dislike it, though that's my preference. It's economically wasteful, ecologically harmful compared to other development patterns, and simply makes for relatively boring cities in my opinion.
Are you blatantly omitting Baltimore from your CSA designation?

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Old 06-08-2019, 09:50 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Are you blatantly omitting Baltimore from your CSA designation?
Don't really care what you call it, no? I guess I can type the full OMB designation of Washington–Baltimore–Arlington, DC–MD–VA–WV–PA Combined Statistical Area, but the thing is a mouthful. People who know what a CSA is in the first place know what's meant if the reference is to a DC or Washington CSA and most likely a Baltimore CSA as well.

Regardless, there needs to be a better regional transportation options connecting the region as a whole that runs frequently and isn't horribly expensive for DC CSA, in my view, to make sense as a megacity if at 10 million people. CSAs simply don't lend themselves to that, so I don't think DC is very close at all nor do I agree with the idea of using CSAs as where the number count is derived.
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Old 06-09-2019, 12:29 AM
 
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Washington-Baltimore isn't too long. If we are going to refer to the CSA as one region, Baltimore's population is at least 85% of Washington's, which is a higher percentage than Fort Worth's to Dallas [67%], Saint Paul's to Minneapolis [72%], Norfolk to Virginia Beach [54%], and San Bernardino's to Riverside [65%].
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Old 06-09-2019, 12:43 AM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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Washington-Baltimore isn't too long. If we are going to refer to the CSA as one region, Baltimore's population is at least 85% of Washington's, which is a higher percentage than Fort Worth's to Dallas [67%], Saint Paul's to Minneapolis [72%], Norfolk to Virginia Beach [54%], and San Bernardino's to Riverside [65%].
Closer to 98%: 619k for Baltimore, 633k for Washington.

And what this tells me as well is that Baltimore's fortunes continue to decline while Washington has rebounded. In 1980, Baltimore had more than 800,000 residents and Washington had dipped below 600,000.
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Old 06-09-2019, 05:05 AM
 
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Sure, if you want to do it by alphabetical order. It doesn't make a difference to me, because I think CSAs are generally a bit too incoherent to count for much. I do like it more when there's a nice general term rather than just something like Greater ___ or the ___ metropolitan area. However, since this is about definitions, I get the idea that someone would take the DC CSA at face value along with the ten million park and say that given current CSA populations and growth rates, DC CSA will hit ten million before the other two CSAs closing in on ten million (SF and Chicago).



Yea, there were a lot of policies that subsidized further and further sprawl. I greatly dislike it, though that's my preference. It's economically wasteful, ecologically harmful compared to other development patterns, and simply makes for relatively boring cities in my opinion.
Greater Chicago is hardly "closing in" on 10 million ,considering it's losing population.
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Old 06-09-2019, 01:10 PM
 
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Chicago is at least an honorary megacity in my book. Its core is huge and urban. Also it's grandfathered in from when its 9-something population ranked much higher.
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Old 06-09-2019, 02:18 PM
 
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I agree that Chicago is the closest thing to a mega city outside of NYC and LA.
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Old 06-09-2019, 02:30 PM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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Closer to 98%: 619k for Baltimore, 633k for Washington.

And what this tells me as well is that Baltimore's fortunes continue to decline while Washington has rebounded. In 1980, Baltimore had more than 800,000 residents and Washington had dipped below 600,000.
DC is 100k larger than Baltimore City now, your numbers are outdated.

DC- 702k

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.

Baltimore City- 602k

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore

DC is the 20th largest city in the country, Baltimore is the 30th.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List..._by_population
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Old 06-09-2019, 06:04 PM
 
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You mean it was 11 months ago. Your numbers are also outdated. Nobody counts today's figures in real time.
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