Official 2010 US Census Data (best, state, better, largest)

[AmberAzeneth]

Originally Posted by kcmo

Man, you guys make me feel so good. I thought I was a total nerd on knowing or caring about this stuff. It's good to know that there are people that get into this stuff more than I do. I should show this thread to my wife and tell her I'm normal!

I do not let my wife know I am keeping up with this. She would just make fun of me.

[Spade]

Tucson MSA:
- Pima County, AZ: 980,263
Total: 980,263

Wow. Estimates showed that Tucson passed 1 million as early as 2008.

[DANNYY]

Originally Posted by AmberAzeneth

So what states are on tap to be released next week?

Alaska, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Minnesota, Montana, New Mexico, North Dakota, & Tennessee

So the cities & metros for next week are:
- Miami/Fort Lauderdale
- Atlanta
- Orlando
- Tampa
- Jacksonville
- Nashville
- Memphis
- Louisville
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul
- Albuquerque
- Anchorage
- Cincinnati (the completion of its MSA & CSA with KY out)

[AmberAzeneth]

Originally Posted by DANNYY

Alaska, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Minnesota, Montana, New Mexico, North Dakota, & Tennessee

So the cities & metros for next week are:
- Miami/Fort Lauderdale
- Atlanta
- Orlando
- Tampa
- Jacksonville
- Nashville
- Memphis
- Louisville
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul
- Albuquerque
- Anchorage
- Cincinnati (the completion of its MSA & CSA with KY out)

The really big guns on that list should be Miami, Atlanta, Jacksonville, and Orlando. BTW, thank you DANNY.

[DANNYY]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

In other words, between now and then, Cities need to raise hell.

I spoke to people today who recieved the questionnaire, sent it in on time, and then recieved a letter saying the census bureau never received it so they sent a second one, and then got another letter saying a census taker was going to visit but then never showed up.

Originally Posted by Spade

Bah.

Originally Posted by AmberAzeneth

So, DANNYY, by your own assesement, which cities do you see that will realistically receive a gain in population?

Haha.

18Montclair: Yes, the US Census has literally gone through cities claiming apartment tracts after apartment tracts in sections of low income housing in most large cities saying no one lives there. According to them, those people just don't exist at all enough to be counted for the US Census.

Spade: Yeah there's always a hell lot of delays with these people its frustrating actually.

AmberAzeneth: I cant speak for any other cities besides Austin, Chicago, Houston, & Washington DC and what I can say is that Washington DC's count is the CLOSEST any city in America probably is to accuracy. It's so close that apparently the MSA & CSA both gained a whopping 100,000 (MSA) & 260,000 (CSA) from projections and estimates in their final count. That's our tax dollars at work employing Census workers and screwing over our cities and making Washington DC look like a shining beacon in the sky.

Austin did fine, it came in where it should have. Houston & Chicago are (by my guesstimate) both larger than what the US Census claims. Here's Houston's story in pieces (See below).

Houston's Demand to the US Census:

The city of Houston will ask the U.S. Census Bureau to change its official count.

The Problem Houston has with the Census Results:

Houston's population is 2,099,451, according to Census data released last week. That's more than 100,000 fewer people than earlier estimates.

The Basis of the Assertion:

"I think we're all very disappointed in the Census Bureau's ability to actually count the immigrant populations, and (other) hard-to-count populations," said Jerry Wood, a consultant hired to review census results for the city. "The bureau had a great story about how they were going to do a better job this time, but I think the evidence is pretty clear that it didn't work."

What the US Census Completely Ignored:

Census maps show a huge section of east Houston — most of the area inside Loop 610, east of Interstate 45 - lost population, as did sections of southwest and northeast Houston.
Those areas are predominantly Latino and African-American, populations that historically are most likely to be missed by the census.

How Houston got Screwed:

Slightly below the 2.1 million that triggers an expansion of City Council to 16 members.

The Process on how it works:

The Census Bureau allows elected officials to challenge the 2010 count through a process called the Count Question Resolution.

Challenges can be filed beginning June 1.

The US Census's Largest Mistake Counting Houston:

Wood said the city will report apparent errors - apartment complexes located on blocks where no residents were reported, for example - and possible mistakes in where boundaries are located.
The bureau probably won't object to correcting any boundary errors, he said.

Additional Information:

The bureau is also conducting its own fact-check, known as the Census Coverage Measurement. About 170,000 housing units were re-surveyed in August and September; the results will be released in mid-2012.

Source: Houston to challenge census count of 2.099 million | Front page | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

So basically the US Census skipped the ENTIRE Eastern side of Houston (proper) with all of the apartment tracts and low income areas. They reported a loss for the entire section of the city that has steadily remained stagnant (was never a fast growing area) for decades.

The US Census's assertion is that those people just don't exist, that nobody, not one person lives in those tracts of apartments. Which is blatantly false, and the city of Houston has proof for it. The challenge will take place this summer in June & July, and Houston is going for the entire 155,000 people that were missed, the city has hired people to investigate and has their numbers in place and everything that can substantiate proof that people live there.

Houston's basis for the challenge was that it was going through redistricting and the threshold is 2.1 Million to gain 2 new seats, and Houston's population came out 530 people short of that threshold. Essentially that screwed the people over due to representation mis-balance, and the city on that basis will be challenging the US Census.

Other cities like Chicago, Saint Louis, Oakland, it would be a good idea for them to get involved and do this too and at least check the work done by the US Census to make sure that those people the Census claims don't exist, exist.

[Chicago60614]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Forget our homerism(me being one of the biggest homers here admittedly), but our areas stand to lose millions in federal funding and in the case of Chicago-Illinois is already one of a handful of states that pays way more to DC than it gets back in return.

An undercounting of our populations would further exacerbate that already huge problem.

In essence, say Chicago in reality actually had 9.9 million people-the Census Bureau would be telling us that 200,000 people dont exist even though states and counties would still have to support them with services the fed should be helping to pay for!

That's my biggest concern-that millions of Americans will be totally absent from any sort of representation in DC and left out of any federal spending of any kind.

Well exactly, it's probably more probable that a LOT of people were missed than the city really shrunk by 200,000 people - especially looking at the overall health of the city during the past 10 years. You could easily say the city at this point is as healthy as its been since WWII (obviously except for the ecoomy the past 2.5 years).

* School enrollment has held within 2%-3% during the past 10 years.
* Train ridership is up 43% from 2000.
* Bus ridership is up 1% from 2000.
* Residential building permits were issued by the tens of thousands from 2000 to 2010
* Census estimates are based off information such as households receiving mail through the US Postal Service. These numbers increased from 2000, although the population per household declined during this time. The decline in household population though would not explain 200,000 people disappearing. Especially in the places that saw the insane drops.

To top it off, these days there's just a lot less trust in opening the door to strangers as their was decades ago. Dozens of door-to-door census workers reported that there were thousands of residential units in the city where they were just not able to get any response. On top of the 45% of people or so who never mailed in the forms.

You've got census tracts on the west side covering up to 10 square miles where the population declined by 14% to 26% in each tract - yet if you look up school enrollment in those areas it's fairly steady. There have also been hundreds of building permits issued in those areas.

Census tracts along the lakeshore from Irving Park up through the city limits are some of the more popular areas that are still affordabale. The crime rates have gone down and they've been very stable during the 2000's with a lot of new condo construction. Yet they counted almost 29,000 fewer people in this area. That goes against everything you see on the ground. Some very attractive areas had declines of over 20%, yet had a lot of infill on open lots and large 8-10 story condo buildings going up. It's all a little fishy.

The city lost tens of thousands of public housing units since 2000 - and you can easily pick out those tracts on the census maps - but 80% of the people who moved ended up staying on in the city. Where'd they go?

I know of at least half a dozen friends who threw away the census form and never had anyone come around looking for them. I'm guessing with response rates on the south and west sides of the city at around 32% - a lot of people were just missed.

In the end I think society is changing in ways that they're just not as successful at getting face to face with people to count them. We exist now on cell phones, computers and via the internet. People don't just drop by your house or call at random these days. More so than any time in history I think you'd be more likely to NOT answer the door when someone randomly knocks than actually just open it to a stranger. No one trusts anyone. Now we like to know everything before it happens.

[Chicago76]

Originally Posted by Spade

There is something worrisome about this. Maybe they need to find a new method to count now.

Never gonna happen. Statistical sampling is the alternative and Congress would never let that happen (under its current leadership). The most urbanized areas are notoriously undercounted compared to their suburban and rural counterparts, and the most urbanized areas overwhelmingly vote Democrat.

[DANNYY]

By City:
- Los Angeles: 3,792,621
- Chicago: 2,695,598
- Houston: 2,099,451
- Philadelphia: 1,526,006
- Phoenix: 1,445,632
- San Antonio: 1,327,407
- San Diego: 1,307,402
- Dallas: 1,197,816
- San Jose: 945,942
- Indianapolis: 829,718
- San Francisco: 805,235
- Austin: 790,390
- Columbus: 787,033
- Fort Worth: 741,206
- Charlotte: 731,424
- El Paso: 649,121
- Seattle: 630,320
- Baltimore: 620,961
- Washington DC: 601,723
- Denver: 600,158
- Portland: 583,776
- Las Vegas: 583,756
- Oklahoma City: 579,999
- Milwaukee: 594,833
- Tucson: 520,116
- Sacramento: 466,488
- Kansas City: 459,787
- Colorado Springs: 416,427
- Omaha: 408,958
- Raleigh: 403,892
- Cleveland: 396,815
- Tulsa: 391,906
- Oakland: 390,724
- New Orleans: 343,829
- Honolulu: 337,256
- Saint Louis: 319,294
- Pittsburgh: 305,704
- Cincinnati: 296,943
- Salt Lake City: 186,440

By MSA:
- Los Angeles MSA: 12,828,837 (Officially Completed)
- Chicago MSA: 9,461,105 (Officially Completed)
- Dallas/Fort Worth MSA: 6,371,863 (Officially Completed)
- Philadelphia MSA: 5,965,343 (Officially Completed)
- Houston MSA: 5,946,300 (Officially Completed)
- Washington DC MSA: 5,524,972 (Uncompleted until WV release)
- San Francisco/Oakland MSA: 4,335,391 (Officially Completed)
- Phoenix MSA: 4,192,887 (Officially Completed)
- Seattle MSA: 3,439,809 (Officially Completed)
- San Diego MSA: 3,095,313 (Officially Completed)
- Saint Louis MSA: 2,779,939 (Officially Completed)
- Baltimore MSA: 2,710,489 (Officially Completed)
- Denver MSA: 2,543,482 (Officially Completed)
- Pittsburgh MSA: 2,356,285 (Officially Completed)
- Portland MSA: 2,226,009 (Officially Completed)
- Sacramento MSA: 2,149,127 (Officially Completed)
- San Antonio MSA: 2,142,508 (Officially Completed)
- Cleveland MSA: 2,077,240 (Officially Completed)
- Kansas City MSA: 2,035,334 (Officially Completed)
- Las Vegas MSA: 1,951,269 (Officially Completed)
- San Jose MSA: 1,839,911 (Officially Completed)
- Columbus MSA: 1,836,536 (Officially Completed)
- Indianapolis MSA: 1,756,241 (Officially Completed)
- Austin MSA: 1,716,289 (Officially Completed)
- Cincinnati MSA: 1,704,668 (Uncompleted until KY release)
- Milwaukee MSA: 1,555,908 (Officially Completed)
- Charlotte MSA: 1,531,965 (Uncompleted until SC release)
- Oklahoma City MSA: 1,252,987 (Officially Completed)
- New Orleans MSA: 1,167,764 (Officially Completed)
- Raleigh MSA: 1,130,490 (Officially Completed)
- Salt Lake City MSA: 1,124,197 (Officially Completed)
- Tucson MSA: 980,263 (Officially Completed)
- Honolulu MSA: 953,207 (Officially Completed)
- Tulsa MSA: 937,478 (Officially Completed)
- Omaha MSA: 864,350 (Officially Completed)
- El Paso MSA: 800,647 (Officially Completed)

By CSA:
- Los Angeles CSA: 17,877,506 (Officially Completed)
- Chicago CSA: 9,686,021 (Officially Completed)
- New York CSA: 8,864,330 (Uncompleted until NY (State) release)
- Washington DC/Baltimore CSA: 8,639,239 (Uncompleted until WV release)
- Bay Area CSA: 7,468,390 (Officially Completed)
- Dallas/Fort Worth CSA: 6,610,530 (Officially Completed)
- Philadelphia CSA: 6,533,683 (Officially Completed)
- Houston CSA: 6,051,363 (Officially Completed)
- Seattle CSA: 4,199,312 (Officially Completed)
- Denver CSA: 3,090,874 (Officially Completed)
- Cleveland CSA: 2,881,937 (Officially Completed)
- Saint Louis CSA: 2,845,298 (Officially Completed)
- Sacramento CSA: 2,461,780 (Officially Completed)
- Pittsburgh CSA: 2,447,393 (Officially Completed)
- Charlotte CSA: 2,258,314 (Uncompleted until SC release)
- Kansas City CSA: 2,105,217 (Officially Completed)
- Indianapolis CSA: 2,080,782 (Officially Completed)
- Columbus CSA: 2,071,052 (Officially Completed)
- Las Vegas CSA: 1,995,215 (Officially Completed)
- Austin CSA: 1,759,039 (Officially Completed)
- Milwaukee CSA: 1,751,316 (Officially Completed)
- Raleigh/Durham CSA: 1,749,525 (Officially Completed)
- Salt Lake City CSA: 1,744,886 (Officially Completed)
- Cincinnati CSA: 1,746,708 (Uncompleted until KY release)
- Oklahoma City CSA: 1,322,429 (Officially Completed)
- New Orleans CSA: 1,214,932 (Officially Completed)
- Tulsa CSA: 988,454 (Officially Completed)
- Omaha CSA: 901,041 (Officially Completed)

Also for what it's worth, here is New York's Combined Statistical Area (CSA) so far without New York (State) in the mix:

New York CSA (Without NY (State)):
- Bergen County, NJ: 905,116
- Hudson County, NJ: 634,266
- Passaic County, NJ: 501,226
- Middlesex County, NJ: 809,858
- Monmouth County, NJ: 630,380
- Ocean County, NJ: 576,567
- Somerset County, NJ: 323,444
- Essex County, NJ: 783,969
- Union County, NJ: 536,499
- Morris County, NJ: 492,2764
- Sussex County, NJ: 149,265
- Hunterdon County, NJ: 128,349
- Mercer County, NJ: 366,513
- Pike County, PA: 57,369
- Litchfield County, CT: 189,927
- Fairfield County, CT: 916,829
- New Haven County, CT: 862,477
Total: 8,864,330

[Allan Trafton]

My city, Milwaukee, went from 596,000 to 594,000. Not bad after seeing what happened to Chicago, Pittsburgh, Cleveland and other rust belt cities.

[waronxmas]

Originally Posted by DANNYY

Alaska, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Minnesota, Montana, New Mexico, North Dakota, & Tennessee

So the cities & metros for next week are:
- Miami/Fort Lauderdale
- Atlanta
- Orlando
- Tampa
- Jacksonville
- Nashville
- Memphis
- Louisville
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul
- Albuquerque
- Anchorage
- Cincinnati (the completion of its MSA & CSA with KY out)

Oooh, next week is going to be fun: