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Downstate Illinois (really all of Illinois outside of Chicagoland) looks exactly like Indiana. No difference, really. Same accents, attitudes and landscape.
So no, it has nothing to do with Northern California or Upstate NY.
I don't think so. What I would equate Northern California to is Southern Japan. Much like the San Francisco/Bay Area, Japan has the Kansai region which is the 2nd most populated metro in the country and which Osaka is the core. The Kanto area (Tokyo Metro) is more like Los Angeles/Southern California. Yokohama is actually Japan's 2nd largest city proper but sits in Tokyo's shadow, and is actually considered a suburb, much like how San Diego (California's 2nd largest city proper) sits in LA's shadow and is more like a glorified suburb.
Areas that are equivalent to Upstate New York are Washington State outside of Seattle, and England outside of Greater London.
nah, metro tokyo isnt more than twice the size of metro osaka. thats the point im trying to drive home here.
17>7
sure 35>18, but 35 isnt even twice the amount of 18.
2nd picture, as far as i know, is in far northern cali.
lol, as far as i know, there arent any freeway or highway signs in los angeles of how to get to san francisco or anywhere in northern cali.
and isnt virtually most of the immigration and ethnic diversity in socal? i mean, i think everyone will agree with me that by far, socal is mad diverse compared to norcal, even if most of it is mexican and central american.
What are you talking about? Both the Bay Area and Sacramento are extremely diverse with no majority ethnic groups. In fact, Sacramento was even named the most diverse city in the country.
What are you talking about? Both the Bay Area and Sacramento are extremely diverse with no majority ethnic groups. In fact, Sacramento was even named the most diverse city in the country.
Why do you always completely ignore facts and figures?
because californians are always apt to point out how special they are. no, you guys arent. you are like every other state, at the end of the day, just with a lot more land to work with. especially northern californians, who cant admit that their state is pretty much half la area/half everyone else.
there were european immigrants who also went to buffalo, rochester, and syracuse. there are hispanic and blacks who live in those cities, and in cities in downstate illinois.
again, agree to disagree, but cali is pretty much set up in the same way. at least one other person agrees with me
how come there hasnt been any southern californians who have commented on this thread? in real life, they probably agree with me as well
2009 Gross Product
Bay Area $535 Billion
Sacramento $93 Billion
Stockton $19 Billion
Salinas $17 Billion
Modesto $14 Billion Total GDP $678 Billion
here's another map of the megaregion:
One thing i like about the Northern California megaregion vs. some of the others is that it has a relatively small population, but it's packed tight and is still pretty substantial at the same time, including such cities as SF, Oakland, SJ, Sacramento, Berkeley, etc, (14 million people vs. 35, or 50 million for some of the others). Then in addition to that there's huge expanses of wild/rural land, national/state parks, etc, as well...to the point that it's hundreds of miles until you get to the next megaregion (it's nearly a thousand before you hit Denver...and at the same time LA is kind of far, yet still relatively close, which is nice). It's kind of like the best of both worlds. Big, but not giant in terms of population, and with huge swaths of rural areas and the diverse California/Nevada/Southern Oregon wilderness all around it. Climates ranging from Mediterranean, to temperate, to Alpine, to deserts, etc.
It's going to be interesting to see how this region grows in the future. Some of the parts in the central valley could be added to SF's metro eventually, such as Stockton.
how come there hasnt been any southern californians who have commented on this thread? in real life, they probably agree with me as well
We don't agree, and we don't care.
Anyone from southern california even remotely familiar with the two cities would be foolish to think LA dominates the state.
We have two world class cities that play an important role. The only other state I can think of that is comparable is TX and both mainly due to the sheer size of the state.
LA = SF, Dallas = Houston, is not the same as NYC = Buffalo/Albany
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because californians are always apt to point out how special they are. no, you guys arent. you are like every other state, at the end of the day, just with a lot more land to work with. especially northern californians, who cant admit that their state is pretty much half la area/half everyone else.
Last I checked, you seem to be the one that has some odd obsession with California. Seriously, all you have been doing is instigating and stirring up drama with your constant California bashing by starting ridiculous polls and rehashing year+ old threads. By now, you should realize by the result of the polls how incorrect your assumptions might be?
because californians are always apt to point out how special they are. no, you guys arent. you are like every other state, at the end of the day, just with a lot more land to work with. especially northern californians, who cant admit that their state is pretty much half la area/half everyone else.
there were european immigrants who also went to buffalo, rochester, and syracuse. there are hispanic and blacks who live in those cities, and in cities in downstate illinois.
again, agree to disagree, but cali is pretty much set up in the same way. at least one other person agrees with me
how come there hasnt been any southern californians who have commented on this thread? in real life, they probably agree with me as well
California is special. We have more to offer than any other state. Live with it.
In fact, it may surprise MOST people on CD, there actually aren't any freeway signs and control cities on freeway signs in the city of Los Angeles and LA County that have San Diego as the primary destination, except for I-405 south of I-710 in Long Beach. For I-5 south, it's Santa Ana.
Hell, Phoenix is even closer to Downtown LA than Sacramento is, but you won't see that as the primary destination until you drive on I-10 past Indio, a full 140 miles away.
Instead, some "small, irrelevant" NorCal town is listed. Fancy that: a place 380 miles away gets more priority on freeway signs than a place 370 miles away (Phoenix) and one that is only 120 miles away (San Diego)
On US 101, Los Angeles is listed as the primary destination once someone gets to Santa Clara County, 40 miles south of SF. San Francisco is listed as the primary destination starting in Ventura, 65 miles away from LA, but it begins to appear on mileage signs right after CA-23, only a scant 35 miles away from DTLA.
I've driven all over California to know all this
Anyways, what does that have to do with anything?
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and isnt virtually most of the immigration and ethnic diversity in socal? i mean, i think everyone will agree with me that by far, socal is mad diverse compared to norcal, even if most of it is mexican and central american.
When I have more time, I'll post numbers. This is starting to become a bit ridiculous.
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