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Location: East Central Pennsylvania/ Chicago for 6yrs.
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Originally Posted by jennifercheswold
Actually 2nd. I understand that Chicago might be more "urban" but there is nothing to do in downtown Chicago besides sleep and work, with the occasional overpriced steak house. Philly has museums, restaurants, concert venues, shopping, parks, work, entertainment, and sleep rolled in one.
SORRY, I KNOW THE THREAD NOT ABOUT CHICAGO... BUT HAD TO RESPOND TO THE NEGATIVE SLAP ABOVE.
Some is stereotyping again.... just a occasional steakhouse in Downtown Chicago. Downtown is more then even the Loop now OFFICIALLY and by the US census. River North is full of Restaurants . The Near North with North Michigan Ave. Has some of the Highest high-end Shopping in the Nation. Philly downtown streets can't compare. Michigan Ave has the BIG gun Retailers who All built brand new Department stores there with boutique stores on the side streets and Great Oak Street Beach at its starting North end.
State St the Original Shopping street in the Loop is Vibrant with ALL THE MALL STORES SUBURBS HAVE, FROM OLD NAVY TO A TARGET STORE IN THE HISTORIC FORMER CARSON STORE BUILDING. THE FORMER MARSHAL FIEKF STORE IS VIBRANT AS EVER... BUT A MACY'S NOW. THE CHICAGO THEATER AND OTHER THEATERS THAT ARE A THEATER DISTRICT TODAY.
There is The Art Institute Walkable to the Museum Campus along Lake Michigan of The Shed Aquarium. Alder Planetarium Museum and Field Museum downtown. Other specific Museums too. Out door Cafe's. The new River Walk extended wit Cafe's along the River Front. You apparently NEVER VISITED DOWNTOWN CHICAGO.
As for HOTELS OMG NOT EVEN GOING THERE. FOR PARKS... YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING. Comparing MILLENNIUM AND GRANT PARK IN DOWNTOWN TO WHAT IS IN DWNTOWN CENTER CITY PHILLY
Well Fairmont Park is huge yes but not in Downtown Philly but for going to the Art Museum.
CHICAGO HAS THESE DOWNTOWN....RIGHT DOWNTOWN AND PLAZAS IN THE LOOP I COULD ADD
... Millennium Park.... Grant Park......Oak St beach...... Navy Pier.....Part of Museum Campus
We visited both Portlands, Seattle, Boston, Providence and Baltimore before re-locating to Philly about 4 years back. Makes me wonder how many other old well-educated adults like us decided to move here.
That would be interesting data. Unfortunately, I can't find anything recent and/or comprehensive about older age cohorts (the media, of course, is obsessed with "millenials"). Even so, I can only see the number of well-educated older adults in Philly also increasing as the "back the city" trend among suburban empty-nesters is a very real phenomenon in Philly.
And to afford the vast majority of new housing in Philly, it stands to reason that the bulk of newcomers are relatively affluent, educated people of any adult age.
Location: East Central Pennsylvania/ Chicago for 6yrs.
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Originally Posted by Duderino
That would be interesting data. Unfortunately, I can't find anything recent and/or comprehensive about older age cohorts (the media, of course, is obsessed with "millenials"). Even so, I can only see the number of well-educated older adults in Philly also increasing as the "back the city" trend among suburban empty-nesters is a very real phenomenon in Philly.
And to afford the vast majority of new housing in Philly, it stands to reason that the bulk of newcomers are relatively affluent, educated people of any adult age.
But this is true of all the Big cities. Young Urban Professionals and some empty-nesters. Philly got a later start then other cities. Big city developers, are not building for lower income people in their Cores. But some cities are requiring they do some.
Philly had the declines All Northern/Eastern to Midwestern cities experienced the most. Seattle did not. Its growth is not limited to its Core and gentrifying neighborhoods. It is a newer overall more growing city. It has a more developed Waterfront then Philly already. Granted it is on a Ocean with a scenic Bay. That still does not say Philly really can't do too much to its Riverfront? Because it is a River. It surely can. Donald Trump almost did and got approval and permits. Then the Economic Crash hit and it was cancelled.
Many say in Philly threads... " Wait till you see us in 10-20 years". But Seattle can say the same.
As for Downtowns. Philly has been Renewing and Gentrifying its Core. Seattle will probably gain more High-rise to Skyscraper living then Philly. Philly's Skyscrapers will continue to be Office to mixed Use Hotel/Office buildings.
I said in Philly threads. I could see Columbus Drive developed with Harbors to a Amusement Pier with High-Rise high-end living. That seems to gain possibilities that don't happen.
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Originally Posted by rainrock
Agree Philadelphia at least Center City/University City and environs are making great strides I disagree on another point though. Location and geography is a huge factor in economic prowess. Its no coincidence that the top 3-4 elite economical cities are all located directly on the coast.There is a reason Silicon Valley grew on the coast instead of the middle of Utah.. The only outlier would be washington DC but you could also argue thats right up against the Chesapeake which limits its regional real estate options
The fact that there is 60 miles of land between Philly and the Atlantic Ocean in part kept it from being a per capita juggernaut like SF,Bos,NYC
The Philly region sprawls an additional 40 miles west of Philly.There is just too much real estate around Philly for it to compete statistically with the coastal cities. Same can be said for other inland cities Dallas,Atlanta ,Pittsburgh etc etc.
All our Bigger Cities have a large Suburban Ring. Many a 30-40 mile reach too. Especially those that have mostly or only one side to grow on. Like those limited on Oceans and Lakes.
As for NOT on the Ocean, but 60 miles away....... In Philly vs. Chicago threads. They still BOASTED only a HOUR drive to the SHORE from Philly. Even though Chicago can Boast Beaches and Harbors in its Core. AS DOES SEATTLE for this thread. Not to mention... Boasting the 2nd Biggest Downtown population. According to the US census that uses 2 miles from the Cores City Hall. I noted in Chicago's 2-miles from City Hall is Huge Grant/Millennium Parks and Harbor in Lake Michigan. Don't help Chicago's Census Population. Philly is not with that expanse of no residents in its Core as a huge Park and part of it is Water. MY PICTURES ABOVE 2 POST AWAY SHOWED THESE PARKS AND HARBOR.
I still consider Philly on a Waterfront. That surely can still be a asset used much more to develop then it has.
Chicago is inland not on a Ocean, but a HUGE Great Lake. Its Lakefront is developed, but not for industry or Shipping anywhere near its core. That's on its Southern edge and Indiana. Cleveland has Parkland with cliffs and some beaches along its shore... just not much in its Core. Not sure why? But could surely develop more in the future.
Each city has to decide on priorities. Some cities had more time.. to better planning for aspects of what they have. NYC just had So Much growth and development of its Core throughout the 20th century. Its CORE got so developed. No city can grow to that much today.
Philly has PLENTY of AFFLUENT SUBURBS. Most big cities have a Metro spreading 30-40 miles. Especially if all on one side. Like Boston and Chicago and right on the coast cities. Philly and Baltimore are unique in much/most of the city's are Row Homes on a tight lineal grid.... compared to other cities LIKE SEATTLE here. NOT A ROW HOME CITY.
1. Midtown Manhattan - 1,441,281
2. Downtown Chicago - 609,902
3. Downtown Manhattan - 527,118
4. Downtown DC - 468,907
5. Downtown LA - 372,337
6. Downtown San Francisco - 299,659
7. Downtown Seattle - 294,369
8. Center City Philadelphia - 288,227
9. Downtown Minneapolis - 232,458
10. Downtown Austin - 214,865
Not to mention Amazon is hiring 40,000 more in next couple of years and Expedia, And Wehauser are moving there corporate headquarters downtown also. There is 29 towers under construction downtown Seattle and 16 million square ft of office space under development.
Did they ever remodel the Gallery Mall in Philadelphia or did they ever expand the Macy's Center City. They have remodeled Westlake Center and added a Zara and a Nordstrom Rack. They also turned the old Newport Mall into a 3 story Target . Pacific Place is about to start a remodel also and add a 3 story Sak's . Also Nordstrom is being remodeled and expanded. In Seattle so what is up in Philadelphia.
1. Midtown Manhattan - 1,441,281
2. Downtown Chicago - 609,902
3. Downtown Manhattan - 527,118
4. Downtown DC - 468,907
5. Downtown LA - 372,337
6. Downtown San Francisco - 299,659
7. Downtown Seattle - 294,369
8. Center City Philadelphia-288,277
9. Downtown Minneapolis - 232,458
10. Downtown Austin - 214,865
Keep in mind there are 75,000 workers in University City which for all intents and purpose is a part of Center City. Center City/University City Philly- 365,000
Location: East Central Pennsylvania/ Chicago for 6yrs.
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Originally Posted by rainrock
Keep in mind there are 75,000 workers in University City which for all intents and purpose is a part of Center City. Center City/University City Philly- 365,000
Philly people ALWAYS beg for some recognition. Center City is it even OFFICILLY BY THE CIYY OF PHILADELPHIA? Its DOWNTOWN? Center City has Row home neighborhoods. Historic Colonial neighbor hoods. That really do not LOOK LIKE A DOWNTOWN. Other City's do not need to expand a Downtown to claim Bigger then others... LA has Cores in different Parts of the city. Yet only one is Downtown. Maybe it is wanting to be more like Manhattan? With a Midtown and neighborhoods between the Southern Parts that is where the Term Downtown started for.
When it is OFFICALLY DECLARED... UNIVERSITY CITY IS DOWNTOWN PHILLY. THEN BOOST IT HERE. There are parts of Chicago. Like the Gold Coast and Near South. The Gold Coast surely LOOKS like it should be included as downtown. It is Continuous from the rest of official downtown. But the City does not officially include it. Some New expanding areas either. Like New residential Skyscrapers in the Near South, by Soldier Field. Not downtown officially.
University City has land to expand. Most of Center City does not. They so far did not start on the Riverfront to TRUELY develop. But Not all claim University City is as part of Downtown. Just some. Some even want Center City pushed north and south.
Some of San Francisco's key tourist attractions, are not officially part of its downtown. Too many neighborhoods in between. But generally it is as if Downtown.
I say boast of SPACIFICALLY what Center City has to offer up against Seattle's Downtown. Actually few Seattle promoters are boasting at all here. I'd rather here specific aspects, even pictures of what these cities attributes to impress. Not statistics and claims not officially recognized.
Philly does not need to claim enlarging Downtown to impress vs Seattle. USE ASSETS THAT CENTER CITY HAS.... TO GO UP AGAINST SEATTLE.
Did they ever remodel the Gallery Mall in Philadelphia or did they ever expand the Macy's Center City. They have remodeled Westlake Center and added a Zara and a Nordstrom Rack. They also turned the old Newport Mall into a 3 story Target . Pacific Place is about to start a remodel also and add a 3 story Sak's . Also Nordstrom is being remodeled and expanded. In Seattle so what is up in Philadelphia.
The Gallery will be remodeled. Most of the issues have been ironed out to do so. The name "Gallery" will disappear. It will be re-born as an Outlet Mall. Many locals are not happy about that. But, interestingly, another new big retail development is being constructed directly across the street which may offer better and trendier retail.
Expand Macy's in Center City? What do you mean? Expand beyond the 3 leased floors they already have ? It's in the historic Wanamaker Building most of which is an office building.
Location: East Central Pennsylvania/ Chicago for 6yrs.
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The Gallery will be remodeled. Most of the issues have been ironed out to do so. The name "Gallery" will disappear. It will be re-born as an Outlet Mall. Many locals are not happy about that. But, interestingly, another new big retail development is being constructed directly across the street which may offer better and trendier retail.
Expand Macy's in Center City? What do you mean? Expand beyond the 3 leased floors they already have ? It's in the historic Wanamaker Building most of which is an office building.
I'd agree, the term OUTLET MALL is not what a Downtown really wants. He also means Philly has smaller versions of like Zara's on Street level. Generally they want Larger areas and build new.
I think he also means ALONG the street other retailers with Macy's, to create one true Retail corridor? But that is no longer possible with Hotels that DID NOT ADD THE RETAIL on Street level for other LARGER RETAILERS to come In by Macy's. Only having the ICONIC WANNAMAKERS building. Has it even be there. It is a sort of Mall in itself. Though not the Floors it once was.
Chicago's State street Marshal Field's is now a Macy's. Its number of floors remains. But years ago before even Macy's. A separate building just for Men's separate building was discontinued. But the store itself is its OWN VERTICAL MALL. That street has typical Mall stores. The High- End Big guns have new buildings on North Michigan Ave.
I'd say the best hope is BRAND NEW SKYSCAPERS GET THE BIG GUN high-end retailers in Philly on street level. None want to be alone or not others in a uniform stretch to draw people. Malls give you that. Unless you know what retailer you are looking for on street level in Philly? You merely have to stumble into one.
Its said 2 streets are the Retail corridors in Philly always mentioned, and.... As WE HAVE STREET SHOPPING. But Philly does not advertise them as OUR PREMIER SHOPPING STREET. The Malls and Outlets and Market Places yes.
It is just the nature of the city. Smaller retailers on the streets, even Big Gun stores who would rather a Bigger space. Did not on street level.
But not meant to demean Philly. Just it is different. Really it should want to be I would guess? Besides the only city it TRUELY WANTS to be compared to or have aspects like is NYC. All others are a ... THAT IS THEM. THIS IS PHILLY. OR WE DO HAVE IT. SO DON'T EVEN... Seattle is also its OWN CITY and is evolving to what it is destined to be.
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