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That sounds about right; you just forgot Boston between SF and Philly. I think DC technically has more office space than Chicago, but only if you include govt. office space. Chicago is still #2 in downtown core privately owned office space.
New York (Jaysus)
Chicago (booming)
Washington D.C. (.govboom)
San Francisco (++insane boom)
Boston (+insane boom)
Philadelphia (healthy boom)
Atlanta (dunno)
Seattle (+insane boom)
Houston (@ risk)
LA (endlessly + insane sprawlyboom)
Dallas??
Last edited by odurandina; 01-02-2016 at 08:36 PM..
You know, for some reason, people don't understand this concept on this forum. D.C. urban form is going to be mind blowing for one reason: Height limits! The urban core of 12-14 story mixed use (residential/hotel/office) high-rise's with first floor retail will cover half the city. We complain about height limits, but its the only reason D.C.'s urban core will be more urban than every city but NYC.
There will be thousands of high-rise's in a city only 61.4 sq. mile's in area. It's going to epic and spread for mile's in all direction's! Many of the central neighborhoods in D.C. like Union Market/NOMA, Capital Riverfront/Buzzard Point, Northwest One/Mt. Vernon Triangle, and The Wharf/Waterfront Station will have unprecedented density for D.C.
I'm curious if you really feel that DC will actually have a greater urban core in total contiguous area than SF, Chicago, and Philadelphia, and if so, what you think the timeline would be before that would be a clear argument to everyone. It seems like a lot of these cities, along with DC are quickly becoming denser in their urban cores (alongside Los Angeles and Boston as well).
That sounds about right; you just forgot Boston between SF and Philly. I think DC technically has more office space than Chicago, but only if you include govt. office space. Chicago is still #2 in downtown core privately owned office space.
As of Q4 2015 DC has around 115,000,000 in the city as a whole, most of it downtown, and downtown Chicago has 135,000,000.
Fairly close. Chicago's downtown reached all time high employment last year at around 585,000 employees and the city as a whole hit its highest employment totals since 2000.
New York (Jaysus)
Chicago (booming)
Washington D.C. (.govboom)
San Francisco (++insane boom)
Boston (+insane boom)
Philadelphia (healthy boom)
Atlanta (dunno)
Seattle (+insane boom)
Houston (@ risk)
LA (endlessly + insane sprawlyboom)
Dallas??
LA's downtown business district is neither booming nor sprawling.
I don't know their criteria but if this is strictly downtown business districts than it's easy for it to not make the list. Dallas' top business district in the central core is probably Uptown. Downtown proper is quite healthy lately and growing but it's top growth is currently in the residential segment.
New York (Jaysus)
Chicago (booming)
Washington D.C. (.govboom)
San Francisco (++insane boom)
Boston (+insane boom)
Philadelphia (healthy boom)
Atlanta (dunno)
Seattle (+insane boom)
Houston (@ risk)
LA (endlessly + insane sprawlyboom)
Dallas??
Everything moves to Houston and it goes from "@ risk" to "boom".
I'm curious if you really feel that DC will actually have a greater urban core in total contiguous area than SF, Chicago, and Philadelphia, and if so, what you think the timeline would be before that would be a clear argument to everyone. It seems like a lot of these cities, along with DC are quickly becoming denser in their urban cores (alongside Los Angeles and Boston as well).
It will have a larger urban core. No other city has the space to build outward. DC, because of urban renewal, has miles upon miles of free space in the core to build. Entire new neighborhoods are rising now touching downtown that used to be green field/warehouse areas (Union market, Buzzard Point, Capital Riverfront, Waterfront Station, The Wharf, NOMA, Northwest One). San Francisco has 1-4 story buildings outside the downtown core. Philadelphia has 1-3 story row houses. Chicago has the same. DC is building 10-14 story apartment/hotel/office buildings with first floor retail in those areas.
It will have a larger urban core. No other city has the space to build outward. DC, because of urban renewal, has miles upon miles of free space in the core to build. Entire new neighborhoods are rising now touching downtown that used to be green field/warehouse areas (Union market, Buzzard Point, Capital Riverfront, Waterfront Station, The Wharf, NOMA, Northwest One). San Francisco has 1-4 story buildings outside the downtown core. Philadelphia has 1-3 story row houses. Chicago has the same. DC is building 10-14 story apartment/hotel/office buildings with first floor retail in those areas.
Not really. Perhaps if you only focus on the Southside but even there you will find plenty of development in high-rises that are much taller than what you will get in DC. Also, Chicago's core is much larger than DC, is it not?
Also San Francisco has a lot under construction in the 10+ range outside of its core, and even more in the 5-8 story range. Hardly anything built is in the 1-4 story range. Much of the city is tall enough where a 10 story building isn't even visible. The reach of 5-10+ story buildings outside of the financial district is more extensive than most cities (plus a base level of 3-4 stories and hills combines to hide the extent of the city's density and many mid-rise buildings).
Chicago also has A LOT of ~10 story buildings under construction that are hidden amongst taller buildings. The extent of this height is many miles north and south.
DC is definitely not alone in such development. Also it has a long way to go to match the ground level activity/uses of San Francisco, possibly Chicago.
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