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CSAs are a minimum measurement of 15% commuter rating from one core community of one metro to another core community of another. 15% is a pretty significant number and does indicate a strong interaction between two MSAs. Many of the CSAs will see commuter rates just below the 25% rate. Like Omaha-Fremont was almost 23% in 2000. It now sits at 31% and Fremont will be a part of the Omaha MSA in 2013 which should put the Omaha-Council Bluffs-Fremont MSA between 922,000 to 927,000 next year. It may not be as strong as an MSA but it is signficant none of the less.
Here's an interesting note:
Omaha MSA is now the 58th largest, but had the 45th largest numerical gain.
Lincoln MSA is now the 154th largest, but had the 98th largest numerical gain.
Combined would be 47th largest with the 39th largest numerical gain. This will be, in fact, a single msa at some point. less than twenty-five miles of empty space with almost all of Omaha's growth aiming right at lincoln. I'm guessing in the next ten to twenty years.
True Some of those places are adding tons of people with terrible economies. Some of those places with economies that's better than the national average is not gaining much or even losing people(Cleveland). Not sure how that is even possible. Vegas dropped off the cliff though.
No one said people were smart. A lot of people doing this move have zero jobs lined up.
I'm not really convinced at these numbers either. I'm in Atlanta, so I know what kind of situation we're in job wise. I refuse to believe that we had 90k people move here last year. Also refuse to believe that they counted us correctly during the census. You don't incorrectly count 120k people. That sounds ridiculous.
Miami is worse off than Atlanta and some how it managed to gain more people? I would like to know where all these newbies found their jobs at. I have two family members with MBA's and don't have jobs in metro Atlanta.
I don't doubt that Houston or Dallas grew faster than anywhere else, they are in the state with the healthiest economy. Even still, Texas ain't doing that well to be relocating that many people. The only metropolitan area that isn't standing on precarious ground is Washington D.C.
Before Atlanta adds one more person, we need to come together and pass this transportation initiative. My honest guess is that Atlanta is right around 5.5 million. We're not going to be able to drive if we hit 6 million and in the same transportation debacle.
The press release didn't release much else, hence the absence of large metros such as Philadelphia, Boston, or San Francisco. The Census Bureau will release all of the 2011 data including city population, county population, and demographics in the coming months (Probably July?).
Here is the county population map. You can click on each individual county and get the population.
Gwinnett County added the most people in metro Atlanta. Gwinnett is sealing it's own fate. If that county hits a million people it's going to be over. They couldn't even manage the county by the time it hit 700k in 2005. A million? I-85 can't handle all that.
I always laugh at these outright dismissals of CSAs as if they are intended to inflate some cities and demote others. lol
Its as if 2 MSAs accidentally happen to be next to each other and just by happenstance send 1 in 7 workers to each other coincidentally snarling traffic, and that just happens to mean billions of dollars in earned income in some cases, and they happen to share a media market, they happen to share a sense of regionalism, but really all of that shouldnt really count for anything because its all an unrelated coincidence.
It's pretty clear that you don't, so is there a need to comment? Does every single forum have to be a place for you to air your grievances about Chicago...?
your comments arent needed ive talked to Chicagoans on a cruise and they called it Crook County.
Need i say more?
I'm not really convinced at these numbers either. I'm in Atlanta, so I know what kind of situation we're in job wise. I refuse to believe that we had 90k people move here last year. Also refuse to believe that they counted us correctly during the census. You don't incorrectly count 120k people. That sounds ridiculous.
Miami is worse off than Atlanta and some how it managed to gain more people? I would like to know where all these newbies found their jobs at. I have two family members with MBA's and don't have jobs in metro Atlanta.
I don't doubt that Houston or Dallas grew faster than anywhere else, they are in the state with the healthiest economy. Even still, Texas ain't doing that well to be relocating that many people. The only metropolitan area that isn't standing on precarious ground is Washington D.C.
Before Atlanta adds one more person, we need to come together and pass this transportation initiative. My honest guess is that Atlanta is right around 5.5 million. We're not going to be able to drive if we hit 6 million and in the same transportation debacle.
The Census Bureau MUST KNOW by now that their estimates tend to be wayyyy off from actual census numbers so why do they continue to release these exaggerated interim estimates? They need to do us all a favor and stop.
The Census Bureau MUST KNOW by now that their estimates tend to be wayyyy off from actual census numbers so why do they continue to release these exaggerated interim estimates? They need to do us all a favor and stop.
I thought they had said for stability purposes they were only going to release updates every 5 years?being off by tens of thousands isn't all that but metros like ATL and DFW were off by 200k-300k plus.
2) CSAs are an incredibly poor way of measuring a metropolitan area. MSAs are better, urbanised areas the best (although, as I've stated before, I think that 1,000 people per square mile isn't necessarily "urban" and thus misleading).
I tend to disagree, as all metropolitan regions are not built the same. CSAs are particularly useful for regions that have more than one primary city.
I thought they had said for stability purposes they were only going to release updates every 5 years?being off by tens of thousands isn't all that but metros like ATL and DFW were off by 200k-300k plus.
I didnt look at the numbers for ATL, but for whatever reason the overestimations for DFW were entirely from its white residents. The Asian, Hispanic, and (especially) the black populations of DFW were underestimated:
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I-85 can't handle all that.
