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View Poll Results: Which city is overall better?
Montreal, QC 180 59.60%
San Francisco, CA 122 40.40%
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Old 10-28-2013, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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But this is more of US vs. Canada (or perhaps a US vs. the world) phenomenon that it is a Montreal vs. SF phenomenon.

Also note that most of the top-rated TV shows in Montreal are Quebec-made productions, which are always made in and generally set in Montreal, so your average Montrealer actually sees his city on TV more than your average San Franciscan does. Believe it or not.
WRONG.

US shows dominate Canadian tv ratings.
http://www.bbm.ca/_documents/top_30_...ionalTop30.pdf

The top rated French-language shows in Quebec only get 1.6 million viewers(the entire province) which makes your claim that the top rated shows there are made there inaccurate. That's statistically impossible.
Quebec's population.
http://www.bbm.ca/_documents/top_30_...ecTop30_fr.pdf

 
Old 10-28-2013, 07:59 AM
 
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Location: San Francisco
Climate: San Francisco
Quality of life: San Francisco
Crime: Montreal
Stores/Shopping: San Francisco
School/College: San Francisco
Entertainment/Things to do: San Francisco
Diversity: San Francisco
Economy: San Francisco
Culture: San Francisco
Food: San Francisco
History: San Francisco, I'm a sucker for gold rush and bear flag republic
Overall beauty: San Francisco

Where would you rather live? Montreal
Where would you rather visit as first timer? Montreal Bien Sur!
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Montreal > Quebec > Canada
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WRONG.

US shows dominate Canadian tv ratings.
http://www.bbm.ca/_documents/top_30_...ionalTop30.pdf

The top rated French-language shows in Quebec only get 1.6 million viewers(the entire province) which makes your claim that the top rated shows there are made there inaccurate. That's statistically impossible.
Quebec's population.
http://www.bbm.ca/_documents/top_30_...ecTop30_fr.pdf
Actually, you're the one who's wrong.

Your first list shows english-language TV programs only, which the vast majority of people in Quebec don't watch. It would be true to say that US shows dominate Canadian tv ratings - but only outside of Quebec, which has its own shows and tv productions.
 
Old 10-28-2013, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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WRONG.

US shows dominate Canadian tv ratings.
http://www.bbm.ca/_documents/top_30_...ionalTop30.pdf

The top rated French-language shows in Quebec only get 1.6 million viewers(the entire province) which makes your claim that the top rated shows there are made there inaccurate. That's statistically impossible.
Quebec's population.
http://www.bbm.ca/_documents/top_30_...ecTop30_fr.pdf
Look at the numbers again.

Big Bang Theory is number one ACROSS CANADA which has 35 million people. BBT gets 3.4 million viewers. Or roughly 10% of the entire population.

The top rated shows in French gets 1.6 million viewers (highly concentrated in Quebec) out of a population of about 8 million. That's about 20% of the population.

No American show (dubbed or in original English) can top those ratings in Quebec. They never do.

BBM shows the list in Quebec as a "French" not because there is some other parallel list for Quebec with English shows on it that score higher. It's because there is no point in doing so - the American or English-language shows generally wouldn't show up on the top-rated list anyway.

And in fact, if you mixed the two lists (English and French) together, it's the French shows that would invade the English list, and 12 of the top 30 shows in all of Canada would be French Canadian shows, in spite of the fact that virtually no one in the 9 other provinces other than Quebec watches them.

Arguing with Canadians (and especially people from Quebec) that Quebec TV shows are not the most popular ones here, is like arguing with someone from Alabama that college football is not popular in their state.
 
Old 10-28-2013, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Sorry but no banana.

French TV shows in Quebec at best muster 1.6 million viewers for the entire province of 8 million people which is 20% MORE FRENCH SPEAKING outside the Greater Montreal Area than within so that's actually where most of those viewers live, and it's HIGHLY UNLIKELY that Montrealers watch ONLY locally-made shows.

Especially considering the fact that the Greater Montreal Area has 800,000 visible minorities.
 
Old 10-28-2013, 08:26 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair View Post
WRONG.

US shows dominate Canadian tv ratings.
http://www.bbm.ca/_documents/top_30_...ionalTop30.pdf

The top rated French-language shows in Quebec only get 1.6 million viewers(the entire province) which makes your claim that the top rated shows there are made there inaccurate. That's statistically impossible.
Quebec's population.
http://www.bbm.ca/_documents/top_30_...ecTop30_fr.pdf
What's wrong with the spread? The US has the same thing, too. It's because not everyone watches television and not everyone who watches television will be watching the same programs. 1.6 million viewers out of 8 million is a pretty high ratio for a single show (compare that with the average viewership ratios for US shows). The anglophone population in Quebec is a pretty small minority, so the English language programs aren't going to factor in so much.

Which reminds me, someone rec me some purportedly good shows from Quebec. And maybe a place to stream them (I have a proxy for Canada, so that's not an issue).
 
Old 10-28-2013, 08:29 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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Sorry but no banana.

French TV shows in Quebec at best muster 1.6 million viewers for the entire province which is 20% MORE FRENCH SPEAKING outside the Greater Montreal Area so that's actually where most of those viewers live, and it's HIGHLY UNLIKELY that Montrealers watch ONLY locally-made shows.

Especially considering the fact that the Greater Montreal Area has 800,000 visible minorities.
Yea, the Anglophone population does count for something, but it is a much smaller community than the Francophone one even in Montreal. Montrealers also watch dubbed US shows and occasionally shows from abroad--but they do have a pretty strong local production scene which is unfortunately not so true for much of the US. That whole trend sort of seems counterintuitive given how low the cost of production is for shows now.

I don't understand your comment on visible minorities. Are you saying visible minorities and francophone are exclusive? I assure you, that is definitely not true. It's a bit like minorities in the US--they, too, can and do watch shows in English; whereas in Quebec, even people of color can and do watch shows in French.

It doesn't seem like you'd be familiar enough with Montreal to really be commenting on this. Right?
 
Old 10-28-2013, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Sorry but no banana.

French TV shows in Quebec at best muster 1.6 million viewers for the entire province of 8 million people which is 20% MORE FRENCH SPEAKING outside the Greater Montreal Area than within so that's actually where most of those viewers live, and it's HIGHLY UNLIKELY that Montrealers watch ONLY locally-made shows.
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Only? No. Mostly? Yes. Unquestionably.
 
Old 10-28-2013, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Especially considering the fact that the Greater Montreal Area has 800,000 visible minorities.
But what prevents visible minority people in the Montreal area and Quebec in general from watching TV shows in French? Many of them do - I know this for a fact.

A significant chunk of them speak little to no English - only French.
 
Old 10-28-2013, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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http://www.tvb.ca/page_files/pdf/Inf...e/TVBasics.pdf

Look at pages 36-37 on here. The combined viewing of the francophone networks is almost 6 times that of the anglophone channels in Montreal.

Once again, what you are doing here is basically arguing that it is not going to snow at all in Minnesota this winter.
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