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Old 06-26-2013, 11:23 AM
 
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For that time period, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Maryland have been quite violent. I think it coincides with New Orleans and Baltimore peaking in murder rates.

Washington,DC had a murder rate of 80.6 murders per 100,000. While DC isn't part of any state, and isn't a state at all, I'm guessing the violence that was in DC might have spilled into Maryland in addition to the violence in Baltimore.

Louisiana hit 20.3 murders per 100,000 in 1993(Nevada is the only other state in the USA to ever hit 20 murders per 100,000 between 1960 and 2011). As you have mentioned, Louisiana has stayed violent for a long time. New Orleans hit 80 murders per 100,000 in 1993.

Mississippi, I don't know. What I do know is that Arkansas also saw a peak in violence during the 1990s as well.

I imagine what Maryland's murder rate would have been if DC was included in the stats.
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Old 06-26-2013, 11:59 AM
 
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I imagine what Maryland's murder rate would have been if DC was included in the stats.
Or what Virginia's murder rate might be if DC was part of Virginia. But yes, Maryland would have been astronomically higher. Louisiana's murder rate is high, and alot of it is driven by New Orleans, Now, DC has reached a murder rate as high as 80 murders per 100,000, and then you have Baltimore. If you were to add DC to the equation, Maryland's 1991 murder rate would have been 19.26 murders per 100,000, and 19.6 murders per 100,000 in 1993.

Virginia's murder rate would have been 15.47 murders per 100,000 in 1991 if DC was included. Much higher than it's peak murder rate of 12.3 murders per 100,000 in 1960.
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Old 06-27-2013, 02:11 PM
 
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I'm currently looking at imprisonment rates. It is quite odd. Louisiana has the highest imprisonment rate in the nation(853 prisoners per 100,000). Mississippi has a very high rate of imprisonment as well.

Louisiana
Mississippi
Oklahoma
Texas
Alabama
Arizona
Florida
Georgia
South Carolina
Arkansas
Missouri.
States with imprisonment rates above the national average. Of all of them, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Arizona, South Carolina, and Alabama have the top ten highest murder rates for the 2010-2011 period. Caveat is this: This is not including prisoners in jail.

Kind of ironic that states that are the most likely to imprison people have relatively high murder rates. One might think that with more people behind bars, the murder rate might drop.
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Old 06-28-2013, 09:24 PM
 
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I'm currently looking at imprisonment rates. It is quite odd. Louisiana has the highest imprisonment rate in the nation(853 prisoners per 100,000). Mississippi has a very high rate of imprisonment as well.

Louisiana
Mississippi
Oklahoma
Texas
Alabama
Arizona
Florida
Georgia
South Carolina
Arkansas
Missouri.
States with imprisonment rates above the national average. Of all of them, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Arizona, South Carolina, and Alabama have the top ten highest murder rates for the 2010-2011 period. Caveat is this: This is not including prisoners in jail.

Kind of ironic that states that are the most likely to imprison people have relatively high murder rates. One might think that with more people behind bars, the murder rate might drop.
You'd think that the ratio of people locked up down here would translate to a much lower murder rate in Louisiana.
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Old 06-28-2013, 10:48 PM
 
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You'd think that the ratio of people locked up down here would translate to a much lower murder rate in Louisiana.
One might think that, and yet, it doesn't really work that way.
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Old 06-29-2013, 01:22 PM
 
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I'm currently looking at imprisonment rates. It is quite odd. Louisiana has the highest imprisonment rate in the nation(853 prisoners per 100,000). Mississippi has a very high rate of imprisonment as well.

Louisiana
Mississippi
Oklahoma
Texas
Alabama
Arizona
Florida
Georgia
South Carolina
Arkansas
Missouri.
States with imprisonment rates above the national average. Of all of them, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Arizona, South Carolina, and Alabama have the top ten highest murder rates for the 2010-2011 period. Caveat is this: This is not including prisoners in jail.

Kind of ironic that states that are the most likely to imprison people have relatively high murder rates. One might think that with more people behind bars, the murder rate might drop.
All red states except Florida. And most are states that are below the national average in wealth, health, education, etc.
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Old 06-29-2013, 01:53 PM
 
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All red states except Florida. And most are states that are below the national average in wealth, health, education, etc.
The Deep South and parts of the west have had some of the highest murder rates in the nation, not just now, but historically. The Deep South had the nation's highest murder rate going all the way back to the the 1800s. The murder rate was quite astronomical in Florida before the Civil War. There were also very few convictions for murder in Florida, at least during that time.

The Collapse of American Criminal Justice - William J. Stuntz - Google Books

I think poverty, education, and culture have played big parts in it. The Deep South was historically the poorest region of the USA, low levels of education, and the "honor culture" has been present there.
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Kind of ironic that states that are the most likely to imprison people have relatively high murder rates. One might think that with more people behind bars, the murder rate might drop.
Not really. States with more criminals tend to have prisoners, all being equal. New York State saw the prison population decrease in sync with the crime rate, with somewhat of a lag.

http://www.sentencingproject.org/doc...dethnicity.pdf

There was an interesting statistic I saw comparing imprisonment rate / crime rate. Lower the number, weaker the punishment per crime. Massachusetts had the lowest number, though its crime rate is still below average, but the some of the states that had lower crime rates also had a higher imprisonment rate.
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Old 09-05-2013, 03:26 PM
 
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Not really. States with more criminals tend to have prisoners, all being equal. New York State saw the prison population decrease in sync with the crime rate, with somewhat of a lag.

http://www.sentencingproject.org/doc...dethnicity.pdf

There was an interesting statistic I saw comparing imprisonment rate / crime rate. Lower the number, weaker the punishment per crime. Massachusetts had the lowest number, though its crime rate is still below average, but the some of the states that had lower crime rates also had a higher imprisonment rate.
It's been a while, but here is my case.

I figured that even with more criminals, prison should be a deterrent.

With New York, many of the criminals stayed in prison for a while, some left New York to commit crime in other states. One reason the prison population in New York has dropped is because the criminals of old have gotten old and have either been released or have died.

With Louisiana, I might figured that the same might work there. Alot of people locked up and then the incarcerated get old.

One major question to consider is this. New York and Louisiana incarcerated alot of criminals, but Louisiana's violent crime rate and murder rate is still very high. How would New York's murder rate drop but Louisiana's murder rate remain very high?
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Old 09-19-2013, 09:04 AM
 
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I found some data for the 2012 murder rates by state. It will look somewhat different because data for New Mexico, North Dakota, South Carolina, South Dakota, and Tennessee are not available for 2012.

Louisiana 10.8
Mississippi 7.4
Alabama 7.1
Michigan 7
Missouri 6.5
Maryland 6.3
Delaware 6.2
Arkansas 5.9
Georgia 5.9
Illinois 5.8
Oklahoma 5.7
Arizona 5.5
Pennsylvania 5.4
North Carolina 5.3
Florida 5.2
Nevada 5.2
California 5
Indiana 4.7
Kentucky 4.5
Texas 4.4
New Jersey 4.3
Alaska 4.1
Connecticut 4.1
New York 4
West Virginia 3.9
Virginia 3.8
Rhode Island 3.2
Colorado 3.1
Washington 3
Wisconsin 3
Kansas 2.9
Nebraska 2.9
Montana 2.7
Oregon 2.4
Wyoming 2.4
Hawaii 2.1
Maine 1.9
Idaho 1.8
Massachusetts 1.8
Minnesota 1.8
Utah 1.8
Iowa 1.5
New Hampshire 1.3
Vermont 1.3
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