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Just realized LA is going to surpass Atlanta as having the tallest building in the US outside NYC and Chicago when the Wilshire Grand is built. It'll be 7th tallest in the US, taller than the Chrysler Building. It's actually quite attractive, and doesn't have the standard LA flat-top.
Probably so, it wouldn't surprise me if that actually happened.
If it got built, South Park would absolutely go bananas with hotel development. A brand-new, state-of-the-art football stadium plus a complete re-do of the convention center? I bet every parking lot in the western half of downtown would get filled in within a few years. The aforementioned new-tallest Wilshire Grand is going to be a hotel, there is a huge hotel shortage in DTLA. Two football teams seems like a stretch, but with everything else I'm not exaggerating - BUT. It's a big if now unfortunately, because AEG is up for sale. LA should be the poster-city for failed "approved" projects.
First off I want to say I really appreciate all the great pictures you post and provide to the site.
I agree with what you are saying that LA has a post-modern or modern urbanity to it. I am actually the poster that brought you in with the "old school urbanity" statement. I think what you have to understand (and may be easy to miss from your incredible aerials) is that many of the new buildings are interspersed with a great deal of 10's-30's architecture. There are not entire historic districts of these old buildings, but they constitute a decent amount of inner LA buildings, if that makes sense.
I get that. I realize that LA didn't just pop up after the 70s. what I'm saying is density well most of it anyways came later on. LA has it reputation of sprawl because the way it started off. LA is symbolic for being spacious and a get away from the crowed Midwest and Northeast cities. LA pretty much started off the sunbelt city group. But because of eventually limited space and people kept coming LA started building up. There's nothing wrong with that I think yall should defend LA type urbanity rather than say it like SF is what I trying saying. I like LA better than SF I know it's sin to say that on this site but just being real.
Also don't try to throw the other sunbelt cities under the bus, most of the Southern Sunbelt cities are older than the Western ones. Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta histories are already ignore. LA is a lot denser than those cities but LA is not more older school denser then cities that's so debatable.
I get that. I realize that LA didn't just pop up after the 70s. what I'm saying is density well most of it anyways came later on. LA has it reputation of sprawl because the way it started off. LA is symbolic for being spacious and a get away from the crowed Midwest and Northeast cities. LA pretty much started off the sunbelt city group. But because of eventually limited space and people kept coming LA started building up. There's nothing wrong with that I think yall should defend LA type urbanity rather than say it like SF is what I trying saying. I like LA better than SF I know it's sin to say that on this site but just being real.
Also don't try to throw the other sunbelt cities under the bus, most of the Southern Sunbelt cities are older than the Western ones. Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta histories are already ignore. LA is a lot denser than those cities but LA is not more older school denser then cities that's so debatable.
Thanks for the clarification. I was under the impression that you were trying to say that LA was built less urban than it's southern or western counterparts during the first few decades of the 20th century--which really isn't true.
I see no huge difference between the streetcar suburbs of Denver, Portland, Atlanta or wherever.
I was never trying to deny that Atlanta or other sunbelt cities had these kinds of "old-school" (not my term, btw...) development, just that LA had more of it because it was much larger than any of these by 1930, when the paradigm started to shift away from bungalows, fourplexes, and small apartment buildings.
I don't disagree that LA's structural density in the central area increased drastically from 1950-1990, I'm just stating that LA wasn't any "sprawlier" than any other southern/western cities pre-WWII... at least in the type of buildings that were constructed and the lot sizes. LA did "sprawl" more in the sense that the red cars facilitated a dispersed "constellation" kind of development across the basin, in a somewhat similar form to the small towns of the Boston metro area.
I get that. I realize that LA didn't just pop up after the 70s. what I'm saying is density well most of it anyways came later on. LA has it reputation of sprawl because the way it started off. LA is symbolic for being spacious and a get away from the crowed Midwest and Northeast cities. LA pretty much started off the sunbelt city group. But because of eventually limited space and people kept coming LA started building up. There's nothing wrong with that I think yall should defend LA type urbanity rather than say it like SF is what I trying saying. I like LA better than SF I know it's sin to say that on this site but just being real.
Also don't try to throw the other sunbelt cities under the bus, most of the Southern Sunbelt cities are older than the Western ones. Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta histories are already ignore. LA is a lot denser than those cities but LA is not more older school denser then cities that's so debatable.
That makes sense, I think we are basically on the same page.
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