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Old 03-26-2013, 04:38 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Pretty much describes Miami to a T. Houston has the clear edge when it comes Asia, and Africa. But Europe and Latin-America tips in favor for Miami. And I understand Houston has a larger and more important cargo port than Miami, but the Port of Miami is tops as far as traveling and leisure(and Immigration).
The only thing holding Miami back as a global diverse international city is it's lack of Asain ties. I don't think there is one single passenger flight to Asia. For a region (Asia) that's had the fastest economic growth in the world over the last 20 years, plus it's the continent with the highest population. It's essential to have that Asian connection in a US city's resume IMO when the topic of future Alpha World Cities are discussed.

To be fair to Miami, perhaps it's due to being to geographicly distant. If any flight were to commence between Miami and Asia it would be a ULH route which are very difficult for an airline to sustain. Not so much for the aircraft equipment itself (flying range), but for economic reasons. ULH routes require aircraft with high capacity premium seating to make a route like that viable and those seats must be filled. At this point in time, Miami is in no position with it's O&D base to make a flight like that viable and I don't see that happening anytime in the near future IMO. Miami is heavy on Latin America and at this point in time, the money is in the Far East. That is why I think Houston is in a better position at this point in time than it's other Southern competetors.
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Old 03-26-2013, 06:45 PM
 
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The only thing holding Miami back as a global diverse international city is it's lack of Asain ties. I don't think there is one single passenger flight to Asia. For a region (Asia) that's had the fastest economic growth in the world over the last 20 years, plus it's the continent with the highest population. It's essential to have that Asian connection in a US city's resume IMO when the topic of future Alpha World Cities are discussed.

To be fair to Miami, perhaps it's due to being to geographicly distant. If any flight were to commence between Miami and Asia it would be a ULH route which are very difficult for an airline to sustain. Not so much for the aircraft equipment itself (flying range), but for economic reasons. ULH routes require aircraft with high capacity premium seating to make a route like that viable and those seats must be filled. At this point in time, Miami is in no position with it's O&D base to make a flight like that viable and I don't see that happening anytime in the near future IMO. Miami is heavy on Latin America and at this point in time, the money is in the Far East. That is why I think Houston is in a better position at this point in time than it's other Southern competetors.
Right. Seems more or less impossible for Miami to ever sustain a flight to Asia. Atlanta has a grand total of 2 flights with generally higher O&D and much higher connecting volumes. And it couldn't sustain Shanghai (although that may come back in time). This is all despite being 2 hours closer. I actually would think Orlando has a better shot at getting a flight to Asia (probably Korean).
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Old 03-26-2013, 07:14 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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I am very sorry when it comes to world known Miami takes the cake over the other three. Go to Berlin and ask someone about Houston, Dallas, even Atlanta. Chances are they do not know much about the cities let alone know them.
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Old 03-26-2013, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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I am very sorry when it comes to world known Miami takes the cake over the other three. Go to Berlin and ask someone about Houston, Dallas, even Atlanta. Chances are they do not know much about the cities let alone know them.
I do travel the world very frequently. When I say I from Dallas, I can count the number of people who had never heard of it on one hand. Mostly in small cities in China and Southeast Asian.

I won't argue that Miami is the best known, but the other three have very high name recognition internationally.
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Old 03-26-2013, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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I am very sorry when it comes to world known Miami takes the cake over the other three. Go to Berlin and ask someone about Houston, Dallas, even Atlanta. Chances are they do not know much about the cities let alone know them.
And you travel overseas and do this how often?
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Old 03-26-2013, 07:38 PM
 
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I am very sorry when it comes to world known Miami takes the cake over the other three. Go to Berlin and ask someone about Houston, Dallas, even Atlanta. Chances are they do not know much about the cities let alone know them.
Being the most internationally recognized out of the four doesn't automatically make you "world class". It certainly helps though. What the others lack in name recognition, they make it up with other world class attributes. For Houston, they don't have the name recognition but they have a world class economy to make up for it.

For the record, I don't think any of these cities are "world class" in the sense of being compared to NYC, Toronto, or other prominent world capitals. However, I think Miami is the closest to reaching "world class" status (if it ever does reach that title, it still needs work imo) largely because of its strong connections to Latin America, presence in the media, and yes, international name recognition.
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Old 03-26-2013, 08:09 PM
 
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Right. Seems more or less impossible for Miami to ever sustain a flight to Asia. Atlanta has a grand total of 2 flights with generally higher O&D and much higher connecting volumes. And it couldn't sustain Shanghai (although that may come back in time). This is all despite being 2 hours closer. I actually would think Orlando has a better shot at getting a flight to Asia (probably Korean).
If not Korean, Orlando would probably get South Asian connections.
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Old 03-26-2013, 08:16 PM
 
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The only thing holding Miami back as a global diverse international city is it's lack of Asain ties. I don't think there is one single passenger flight to Asia. For a region (Asia) that's had the fastest economic growth in the world over the last 20 years, plus it's the continent with the highest population. It's essential to have that Asian connection in a US city's resume IMO when the topic of future Alpha World Cities are discussed.

To be fair to Miami, perhaps it's due to being to geographicly distant. If any flight were to commence between Miami and Asia it would be a ULH route which are very difficult for an airline to sustain. Not so much for the aircraft equipment itself (flying range), but for economic reasons. ULH routes require aircraft with high capacity premium seating to make a route like that viable and those seats must be filled. At this point in time, Miami is in no position with it's O&D base to make a flight like that viable and I don't see that happening anytime in the near future IMO. Miami is heavy on Latin America and at this point in time, the money is in the Far East. That is why I think Houston is in a better position at this point in time than it's other Southern competetors.
I guess it all comes down to quality vs quantity. Miami serves 38 flags(Highest in the South), but as you said, Business is currently blossoming in the far-east, and ATL, HOU, DAL all 3 excell further than Miami in this regard.
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Old 03-26-2013, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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Right. Seems more or less impossible for Miami to ever sustain a flight to Asia. Atlanta has a grand total of 2 flights with generally higher O&D and much higher connecting volumes. And it couldn't sustain Shanghai (although that may come back in time). This is all despite being 2 hours closer. I actually would think Orlando has a better shot at getting a flight to Asia (probably Korean).
Well, ATL-Shanghai was the laughing stock of Deltas international network when it flew. I was privy to some numbers and that flight (at times) would lose a million dollars just by taking off. It isn't coming back. Detroit-Shanghai is a much better performer and does extremely well for Delta.

As for Orlando, I don't see KE, but rather a Japanese carrier. Thats where the market comes from and it makes more sense from a network perspective.
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Old 03-26-2013, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Glendale, CA
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Which city overseas people have "heard of" has very little to do with Alpha City ranking. By that criteria, Las Vegas would be an Alpha city.
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