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How do the Hispanic populations discount the Southerness of Dallas and Houston? The US born ones are heavily influenced by African American Southern culture and often have AA inspired Southern accents to go along with it
It's passive aggressive low-key racism from white anglos. Just another way to remind us that we'll never truly be American
Between these two I'd say definitely South Florida. There are still more native Virginians in NOVA despite the influx of Yankee transplants and foreign immigrants. Yes the culture is different, and someone I know from Louisiana who has lived in NOVA described it as "filled with DC style swamp dwellers"!!!!
In the end though, overall, Northern Virginia feels most like a cultural extension of the Northeast, while South Florida feels like part of Latin America and Miami in particular doesn't even feel like an American city at all. Fort Lauderdale is a cultural extension of New York and New Jersey.
NOVA has more southern history including Civil War battlefields, plantations, etc while most of South Florida was uninhabited and undeveloped until the 20th century. There was not much in South Florida when it first became a state, most of the development was in the north and panhandle, people wonder why Tallahassee is the capital well Miami didn't even exist when Florida achieved statehood.
How do the Hispanic populations discount the Southerness of Dallas and Houston?
I'm not saying that they do myself, I'm just saying that their presence often causes others to do so. Which I don't blame, because Hispanics are absent within many depictions of the South. Not only that, the Hispanics in Houston and Dallas are Mexicans from NorMex, a trait only found elsewhere in the SW US.
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It's passive aggressive low-key racism from white anglos. Just another way to remind us that we'll never truly be American
"But where are you reaaalllyyyyy from?"
No, it's more that many people think of the South in the stereotypical, "Gone With The Wind" sense. Hispanics are pretty much absent in that depiction, and because of their sheer presence in Dallas and Houston, people often don't view those cities as "traditionally Southern."
Indeed, if I walk around Houston right now, it feels more like a "Gulf Coast version" of Los Angeles, demographics-wise. Apart from climate and scenery, there's none of that old-timey "Southern" charm to be seen.
So, it's sort of an enigma. Many people are arguing against NoVa's southerness on basis of cultural change from NE US transplants. And so, on that note, I don't see how a similar case can't be made for Houston, Dallas, and Miami with their Hispanic populations.
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The difference with NoVa primarily over any region of the US that is not technically “the NE”. Is that NoVa physically IS an extension of that corridor. There are Vamoose buses that shoot up and back from the NoVa suburbs to NYC daily. In Nova you can hop on a train and be in the NE in two hours. You can drive there in 3 hrs, and to top all things off there are more NY, NJ, and PA license tags in NoVa and the other DC suburbs than ANY other region of the country by far. Houston, Dallas, Miami simply don’t have this aspect.
Between these two I'd say definitely South Florida. There are still more native Virginians in NOVA despite the influx of Yankee transplants and foreign immigrants. Yes the culture is different, and someone I know from Louisiana who has lived in NOVA described it as "filled with DC style swamp dwellers"!!!!
In the end though, overall, Northern Virginia feels most like a cultural extension of the Northeast, while South Florida feels like part of Latin America and Miami in particular doesn't even feel like an American city at all. Fort Lauderdale is a cultural extension of New York and New Jersey.
NOVA has more southern history including Civil War battlefields, plantations, etc while most of South Florida was uninhabited and undeveloped until the 20th century. There was not much in South Florida when it first became a state, most of the development was in the north and panhandle, people wonder why Tallahassee is the capital well Miami didn't even exist when Florida achieved statehood.
Historically VA is definitely more Southern than SoFla. Miami and South Florida were literally created for the purpose of drawing wealthy Northerners down South for the winter. West Palm, FTL and Miami had been snowbird central since their inception. One could argue there were White Northerners in Miami before White Southerners. The "Florida Crackers" white southerners were largely inland and further upstate.
Florida is every bit as southern as Georgia, just a little sliver of Miami is international.
"International" doesn't dictate Southern culture or not. Most states aren't "international" and have only 1 "international" city at most. Atlanta is "International" yet would you say ATL isn't Southern?
The difference with NoVa primarily over any region of the US that is not technically “the NE”. Is that NoVa physically IS an extension of that corridor. There are Vamoose buses that shoot up and back from the NoVa suburbs to NYC daily. In Nova you can hop on a train and be in the NE in two hours. You can drive there in 3 hrs, and to top all things off there are more NY, NJ, and PA license tags in NoVa and the other DC suburbs than ANY other region of the country by far. Houston, Dallas, Miami simply don’t have this aspect.
You can get from Miami to the Bahamas in a couple of hours by boat. Cuba is also only 90miles from Key West. Miami/SoFla is closer to the caribbean than it is to the Georgia boarder. You can get from Houston or Dallas to Mexico by bus in a few hours. Literally, get a passport hop on a greyhound and get to the boarder in a few Hours. Other Southern states don't have such easy access to other countries the way that Miami, Dallas and Houston do. And this proximity largely effects the overall culture of these cities. This is unique to Texas and Florida.
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