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View Poll Results: Which is more urban?
Washington D.C. 21 14.48%
Philadelphia P.A. 124 85.52%
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Old 10-28-2013, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Originally Posted by Summersm343 View Post
Wrong.


That is Penn Park... and it is just that... a park. While the fields may never be built on, there will eventually be a wall of highrises lining Walnut Street.

Looking west down Walnut
http://www.pennconnects.upenn.edu/im...me/photo-4.jpg

Looking north towards Walnut
http://www.pennconnects.upenn.edu/ex...home_image.jpg

Aerial view plan for Walnut Street
http://www.pennconnects.upenn.edu/ex..._walnut_3d.jpg

Aerial view of Penn's UCity owned land- Walnut stretch in the top right corner
http://www.pennconnects.upenn.edu/im...me/photo-1.jpg



This is the site of Penn's new 8 story dorm. The project is set to break ground by the end of this year and will be called the College House at Hill Square. The only portion of the field that the project won't cover is the section that faces 33rd street, but that will probably be developed on at a later date.
The Daily Pennsylvanian :: Hill Field college house construction to begin January 2014



That is the old University City high school which is actually being sold for development as we speak. Currently there are 9 interested parties on the property. Bidding will start soon.



$100M offered for shut Phila. schools



Again.... this is land owned by Upenn, and it will be developed in the future.

As you can see to the left, that land will be built on
http://www.pennconnects.upenn.edu/re...the-vision.jpg



This is green space for the massive dorms/apartment complexes that surround it. It acts as a central quad and will likely not ever be built on.
I stand corrected on those fields. I guess they will be developed. That is necessary for it to be compared to it's urban counterparts. Is this University City high school?

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=city+...9.72,,0,0&z=17
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Old 10-28-2013, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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I'm sure U city has a lot of development going on and coming down the pipeline, however, this screams college campus more so than major city to me.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=city+...gl=us&t=h&z=18

just like this does:

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=unive...ius=15000&z=18
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Old 10-28-2013, 07:24 PM
 
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This is what I call a downtown urban campus:

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=georg...5.37,,0,0&z=18
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Old 10-28-2013, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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I stand corrected on those fields. I guess they will be developed. That is necessary for it to be compared to it's urban counterparts. Is this University City high school?

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=city+...9.72,,0,0&z=17
Yes. The land is massive.

The school was shuttered because it was under-performing and losing enrollment. This entire plot will be sold for redevelopment.

http://goo.gl/maps/2GQCq
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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I'm sure U city has a lot of development going on and coming down the pipeline, however, this screams college campus more so than major city to me.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=city+...gl=us&t=h&z=18

just like this does:

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=unive...ius=15000&z=18
Like I said, the core of UPenn's historic Ivy League campus will never be redeveloped. However, the area along 38th street will probably be bulldozed, upzoned and redeveloped at some point. It is a major avenue that sees a ton of traffic and could use denser development.

Here are the new developments currently underway in UCity:

The Evo- 33 floors- 407 feet- 30th and Chestnut- apartments/retail- construction- built over train tracks
https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...87571753_n.jpg
http://hiddencityphila.org/wp-conten..._riverview.jpg

3601 Market- 28 floors- 320 feet- 36th and Market- apartments/retail- site prep- built on surface parking lot
http://www.gundpartnership.com/sites.../01-market.jpg

Lancaster Square- 25 floors- 279 feet- 34th and Lancaster- dormitory/retail- site prep- built on underutilized lot/replacing lowrise
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...69532900_n.jpg
https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...38740193_n.jpg

38th and Chestnut- 25 floors- 278 feet- 38th and Chestnut- apartments/retail- site prep-built on underutilized lot/replacing three brownstones
http://www.thecondoshops.com/wp-cont..._752_849_s.jpg

CHOP Buerger Center for Pediatric Care- 14 floors- 292 feet- 3500 Civic Center Blvd- medical/office space/retail- construction- built on vacant lot in the medical center
http://www.multivu.com/assets/62177/...r-original.jpg
https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...77276892_n.jpg

3737 Market- 13 floors- 221 feet- 38th and Market- office/medical/research space- construction- built on surface parking lot
https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...10641998_n.jpg

Drexel LeBow College of Business- 14 floors- 212 feet- 32nd and Market- Academic Space- complete- replaced obsolete lowrise building
https://scontent-b-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/...28374461_n.jpg

Chestnut Square- 19 floors- 210 feet- 32nd and Chestnut- Dormitory/retail space- complete- built on underutilized land between 32nd and 33rd on Chestnut
https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...55994449_n.jpg

PCAM South Tower- 11 floors- 180+ feet- Convention Ave and Health Sciences Dr- Medical/office space- construction- built on surface lot/loading dock in the Medical Center- all the way to the left in this image
https://sphotos-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/h...06099813_n.jpg

Wistar Institute Fox Tower- 8 floors- 36th and Spruce Walk- Medical/research/office space- construction- replacing underutilized lowrise
https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...60931077_n.jpg
https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...04690207_n.jpg

College House at Hill Square- 7 floors- between 34th, Chestnut and Woodland Walk- site prep in December- built on underutilized grass lot
http://nakedphilly.com/wp-content/up...e_cd_copyf.jpg

The HUB 3939- 7 floors- apartments/retail- 40th and Chestnut- site prep by the end of the year- replacing lowrise/two rowhomes
http://nakedphilly.com/wp-content/up...ndering_2f.jpg

UPenn Office Building- 6 floors- office space- 39th and Walnut- construction by the end of the year- built on vacant lot
https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...45258686_n.jpg


That is not including all the proposals and the plans from the Universities and the Science Center.

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Old 10-28-2013, 09:01 PM
 
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Like I said, the core of UPenn's historic Ivy League campus will never be redeveloped. However, the area along 38th street will probably be bulldozed, upzoned and redeveloped at some point. It is a major avenue that sees a ton of traffic and could use denser development.

Here are the new developments currently underway in UCity:

The Evo- 33 floors- 407 feet- 30th and Chestnut- apartments/retail- construction- built over train tracks
https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...87571753_n.jpg
http://hiddencityphila.org/wp-conten..._riverview.jpg

3601 Market- 28 floors- 320 feet- 36th and Market- apartments/retail- site prep- built on surface parking lot
http://www.gundpartnership.com/sites.../01-market.jpg

Lancaster Square- 25 floors- 279 feet- 34th and Lancaster- dormitory/retail- site prep- built on underutilized lot/replacing lowrise
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...69532900_n.jpg
https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...38740193_n.jpg

38th and Chestnut- 25 floors- 278 feet- 38th and Chestnut- apartments/retail- site prep-built on underutilized lot/replacing three brownstones
http://www.thecondoshops.com/wp-cont..._752_849_s.jpg

CHOP Buerger Center for Pediatric Care- 14 floors- 292 feet- 3500 Civic Center Blvd- medical/office space/retail- construction- built on vacant lot in the medical center
http://www.multivu.com/assets/62177/...r-original.jpg
https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...77276892_n.jpg

3737 Market- 13 floors- 221 feet- 38th and Market- office/medical/research space- construction- built on surface parking lot
https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...10641998_n.jpg

Drexel LeBow College of Business- 14 floors- 212 feet- 32nd and Market- Academic Space- complete- replaced obsolete lowrise building
https://scontent-b-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/...28374461_n.jpg

Chestnut Square- 19 floors- 210 feet- 32nd and Chestnut- Dormitory/retail space- complete- built on underutilized land between 32nd and 33rd on Chestnut
https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...55994449_n.jpg

PCAM South Tower- 11 floors- 180+ feet- Convention Ave and Health Sciences Dr- Medical/office space- construction- built on surface lot/loading dock in the Medical Center- all the way to the left in this image
https://sphotos-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/h...06099813_n.jpg

Wistar Institute Fox Tower- 8 floors- 36th and Spruce Walk- Medical/research/office space- construction- replacing underutilized lowrise
https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...60931077_n.jpg
https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...04690207_n.jpg

College House at Hill Square- 7 floors- between 34th, Chestnut and Woodland Walk- site prep in December- built on underutilized grass lot
http://nakedphilly.com/wp-content/up...e_cd_copyf.jpg

The HUB 3939- 7 floors- apartments/retail- 40th and Chestnut- site prep by the end of the year- replacing lowrise/two rowhomes
http://nakedphilly.com/wp-content/up...ndering_2f.jpg

UPenn Office Building- 6 floors- office space- 39th and Walnut- construction by the end of the year- built on vacant lot
https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...45258686_n.jpg


That is not including all the proposals and the plans from the Universities and the Science Center.

But is it safe to say that U City will never be developed like GWU in D.C.?
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Old 10-28-2013, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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But is it safe to say that U City will never be developed like GW in D.C.?
UPenn's Campus? No. I would say the Medical Center already is though.



Market, Chestnut, Walnut and Spruce? Yes definitely. I would argue Spruce already is between 33rd and 38th:



Walnut already is between 34th and 38th








Maybe 36th Street as well





...and Chestnut is beefing up quick between 32nd and 38th



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Old 10-28-2013, 09:30 PM
 
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Also the area around 30th Street station will be impressive once redeveloped.

JFK BLVD looking west from 30th Street
http://drexelmasterplan.files.wordpr...t132027_sm.jpg

32nd and Market
http://drexelmasterplan.files.wordpr...t130227_sm.jpg

Market Street looking west from 31st
http://drexelmasterplan.files.wordpr...pg?w=640&h=324

Also... this shows the development potential of University City. Redevelopment of the area around 30th Street Station. Building above the Powelton Rail Yards, and redevelopment of the University City High school campus

http://hiddencityphila.org/wp-conten...rexelplan5.jpg
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Old 10-28-2013, 09:34 PM
 
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UPenn's Campus? No. I would say the Medical Center already is though.



Market, Chestnut, Walnut and Spruce? Yes definitely. I would argue Spruce already is between 33rd and 38th:



Walnut already is between 34th and 38th








Maybe 36th Street as well





...and Chestnut is beefing up quick between 32nd and 38th



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I agree, however, that is such a small area. You can't go for blocks and blocks with that level of intense development like the GWU campus. UPenn acts as a barrier to development.
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Old 10-28-2013, 09:40 PM
 
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