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D.C. also has the U.S. government to fill up office space. The height limit in D.C. also causes development to spread outward instead of upward, as I stated multiple times. With how into development you are, you think you of all people would know this. I know there is more office space in D.C. but there are more residents in Center City/UCity. There are over 150 buildings in Philly over 200 feet. Split them all into 130 or so foot buildings and Philly would have many many more highrises (midrises) than D.C.
Below really sums up everything I have been talking about. The crazy thing is, D.C. has more buildings in the pipeline than almost every city and already has this many buildings. And before someone says this building is missing or that building is missing, we have a 700 building lead not even counting Alexandria V.A. and Arlington V.A., don't kid yourself.
Originally Posted by Summersm343 View Post
Well Philadelphia's downtown area has an older historic section and a modern highrise section. Architecture and building types spanning several hundred years. If the definition of a downtown is highrises and skyscrapers than D.C. does not have a downtown. Since Philly has the highest concentration of highrises/skyscrapers downtown in the U.S. outside of NYC, Chicago and San Francisco, I would say every other city has a pretty small Downtown than.
Total "highrise" count rankings within city limits (not metro):
1. NYC
2. Chicago
3. Los Angeles
4. Honolulu
5. SF
6. Philly
7. DC
Below really sums up everything I have been talking about. The crazy thing is, D.C. has more buildings in the pipeline than almost every city and already has this many buildings. And before someone says this building is missing or that building is missing, we have a 700 building lead not even counting Alexandria V.A. and Arlington V.A., don't kid yourself.
Silver Spring MD
50 High-rise
31 Low-rise Total: 81 buildings
D.C., Arlington, Alexandria, Bethesda, and Silver Spring Total Buildings: Total: 2,094 buildings
D.C. has roughly 1,417 more large buildings than Philly in less than Philly's 134 mile city limit footprint. I don't even know why anyone would try to argue this.
Below really sums up everything I have been talking about. The crazy thing is, D.C. has more buildings in the pipeline than almost every city and already has this many buildings. And before someone says this building is missing or that building is missing, we have a 700 building lead not even counting Alexandria V.A. and Arlington V.A., don't kid yourself.
D.C., Alexandria, and Arlington would be in Philly's 134 square mile footprint. This really isn't close.
low rise buildings shouldn't even be counted, emporis is insanely innacurate when it comes to that. basically any historic building can be listed under that.
high rises are only "somewhat" accurate... basically the only thing that is ever accurate on that site is skyscrapers b/c there are comparatively few of them and easy to see.
I'm still trying to find out where this whole Center City versus the D.C. suburbs competition came from? This is D.C. suburb downtown's versus Philly suburb downtown's. Center City is compared to D.C., not it's suburbs.
Philadelphia has as about the same population in 135 sq. miles as the DC area has inside of the Beltway (256 sq. miles). So Philly doesn't really need urban suburbs because there's just a lot more "city" to begin with.
Huh? I never said Center City wasn't Philly's downtown. I said it is tiny, residential neighborhoods included and all compared to D.C.'s built up core. What exactly are you talking about? I said D.C. has an area about 3-4 times the size of Center City and University City with large multi-story buildings. Philly is basically row houses. DC has a higher intensity over a larger area. Philly drops down to row houses.
But DC is mostly rowhouses too. I mean, the area full of multi-unit buildings in DC is a decent size (spanning roughly from Adams-Morgan to just west of Georgetown), but it's not that large. The majority of the core is rowhousing.
And I'm not sure if I would say DC has a higher intensity over a larger area because Center City is a much higher peak than peak DC. Again, there's really nowhere in DC where you can walk out of your door and eat on the ground floor of your building. They are trying to develop that type of lifestyle in Downtown DC, but it's not close to being the same.
low rise buildings shouldn't even be counted, emporis is insanely innacurate when it comes to that. basically any historic building can be listed under that.
high rises are only "somewhat" accurate... basically the only thing that is ever accurate on that site is skyscrapers b/c there are comparatively few of them and easy to see.
That may be true for every other city in America except D.C. where buildings are all large with huge footprints. Take a look at the lowrise list for D.C. and tell me it shouldn't be included. Have you been to D.C. and actually seen how many buildings are in the city? D.C. is covered with large buildings that are 6-11 stories along with tons of buildings that are 12-14 stories.
But DC is mostly rowhouses too. I mean, the area full of multi-unit buildings in DC is a decent size (spanning roughly from Adams-Morgan to just west of Georgetown), but it's not that large. The majority of the core is rowhousing.
And I'm not sure if I would say DC has a higher intensity over a larger area because Center City is a much higher peak than peak DC. Again, there's really nowhere in DC where you can walk out of your door and eat on the ground floor of your building. They are trying to develop that type of lifestyle in Downtown DC, but it's not close to being the same.
The intensity this discussion has focused on has only been buildings versus row homes. Also, this comparison and discussion has been about future development footprint and where the cities are headed. That is what KidPhilly and I have been talking about. If you go back and read, we were comparing the core's at full build out from Columbia Heights-Capital Riverfront/SW Waterfront and from Atlas District to Foggy Bottom. We have already established that having a few row house clusters here and there is fine, however, the majority of that area should be buildings. That is the metric we used to define the core.
Silver Spring MD
50 High-rise
31 Low-rise Total: 81 buildings
D.C., Arlington, Alexandria, Bethesda, and Silver Spring Total Buildings: Total: 2,094 buildings
D.C. has roughly 1,417 more large buildings than Philly in less than Philly's 134 mile city limit footprint. I don't even know why anyone would try to argue this.
Well it's not that surprising that DC would have more buildings when adding in those nearby satellite cities. You act like Philly's city limits are so large. It's only a 73 sq. mile difference. Big deal! If Philly had the land area of places like Oklahoma City or Jacksonville than I could see your gripe but it doesn't. You don't see Chicago posters boosting about if their nearby cities where included in their city proper than they would have just as much buildings as NYC for example. Also who brags about low rises! Seems like your getting a little desperate.
But DC is mostly rowhouses too. I mean, the area full of multi-unit buildings in DC is a decent size (spanning roughly from Adams-Morgan to just west of Georgetown), but it's not that large. The majority of the core is rowhousing.
And I'm not sure if I would say DC has a higher intensity over a larger area because Center City is a much higher peak than peak DC. Again, there's really nowhere in DC where you can walk out of your door and eat on the ground floor of your building. They are trying to develop that type of lifestyle in Downtown DC, but it's not close to being the same.
Your right as both cities have lots of row-houses. MDAllstar is making it seem like DC doesn't have a lot of them.
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