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My point is, there are only four ways to get to U City from Center City. Four sidewalks. How can you include that as a part of Center City? Also, I don't see Central Park hurting Manhattan. Shoot, at least D.C. has museums and monuments on the national mall. Central Park is just nature. I think they are both great and add to both areas. My point is not about not having any open space, it's that for cities like Baltimore and Philadelphia, it becomes ALL row homes for miles. Not pockets a few streets then back to buildings, but just row homes.
Also, how am I making the rules as I go along? I didn't include those area's till you decided U City should be included with Center City which is nothing other than Poplar Point/St. Elizabeth in D.C. You are the one that seems to be changing as you go trying to pad Center City stats.
No there are 6 ways on the grid - actually with the exception of Locust alll street cross in the same grid as CC.
I mean 395/695 are probab;y a bigger barrier than is the river between CC and U City to begin with
I dont see how U City and CC are not directly connected TBH nor is any of the area in the block I posted for Philly row house street after row house street
The SE developments are more cut off than U City - but believe what you would like I suppose. Just think we wont agree
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I dont see how U City and CC are not directly connected TBH nor is any of the area in the block I posted for Philly row house street after row house street
The SE developments are more cut off than U City - but believe what you would like I suppose. Just think we wont agree
I didn't say the area you posted was row house after row house. I was talking about the statement you made in reference to my criteria. You keep saying I am trying to exclude any and all row homes. That is not the case at all. Also, would you say all that industrial/railroad space right at the bridges in U City is going to be re-developed? That is a huge barrier I think when trying to make it one area?
I am talking about area's like this full of rowhomes by the way in reference to what I said in an earlier point:
Area's this large don't exist in D.C. between Columbia Heights and the Anacostia/Potomac River. I could draw the same thing to the north of Center City. That's my only point, Philadelphia much like Baltimore is covered with rowhomes. It's not really a large building city, with rowhome pockets.
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I didn't say the area you posted was rowhouse after rowhouse. I was talking about the statement you made in reference to my criteria. You keep saying I am trying to exclude any and all rowhomes. That is not the case at all. Also, would you say all that industrial space in U City is going to be developed
I am talking about area's like this full of rowhomes:
Area's this large don't exist in D.C. between Columbia Heights and the Anacostia/Potomac River. I could draw the same thing to the north of Center City. That's my only point, Philadelphia much like Baltimore is covered with rowhomes. It's not really a large building city.
well the areas you referenced in the East (East of the Capital is pretty much all row homes between the Library of Congress and RFK in many ways.
ALso North of CT has many many many row house streets in that expanded selection
And further to your point - yes you are correct that style of rowhomes permiates in S Philly, West Philly and North to Northeast Philly and covers a vastly larger footprint than any similar developed area in DC - dont think I or anyone was discounting that
Nor were those areas in the footprint I posted earlier.
But yes MD Philly lots of row houses, no doubt
also that area you posted runs bewtween 20 and 65K ppsm resdiential density - higher than most of the newer taller resdiential areas you are posting
BTW - this a large part of that expanded footprint you posted - most of this is rowhomes. I know the earea well, enjoy eastern market etc.. So you expanded to include less dense rowhomes than what you posted in S Philly (which BTW was never in the footprint I posted to begin with) Again I am not following your logic and what S Philly have to do with the footprint I posted (or U City) I am still unsure
On the industril space - yes - some already under way - CHOP is building a 1 Sq facility on one parcel. There are 3 new towers along the waterfront going up - cranes even and the 30th street railyard is being planned for later with other infill
And its not a huge barrier - its a 2 minute walk
Have you ever seen the foot traffic accross these bridges actually?
well the areas you referenced in the East (East of the Capital is pretty much all row homes between the Library of Congress and RFK in many ways.
ALso North of CT has many many many row house streets in that expanded selection
And further to your point - yes you are correct that style of rowhomes permiates in S Philly, West Philly and North to Northeast Philly and covers a vastly larger footprint than any similar developed area in DC - dont think I or anyone was discounting that
Nor were those areas in the footprint I posted earlier.
But yes MD Philly lots of row houses, no doubt
also that area you posted runs bewtween 20 and 65K ppsm resdiential density - higher than most of the newer taller resdiential areas you are posting
BTW - this a large part of that expanded footprint you posted - most of this is rowhomes. I know the earea well, enjoy eastern market etc.. So you expanded to include less dense rowhomes than what you posted in S Philly (which BTW was never in the footprint I posted to begin with) Again I am not following your logic and what S Philly have to do with the footprint I posted (or U City) I am still unsure
The area's I am posting are going to range between 40,000-80,000 people per square mile once built out. You won't see any 20,000 people per sqaure mile tracts as all these buildings get filled. All the rowhomes are turning into multi-family too.
Actually, there is pretty significant development happening in Capitol Hill too:
and there are about 800 units in the South Broad area of S Philly you posted - actually generally larger scale projects then the above you posted. But again that is not area I included - as like capital hill to me its still more a traditional rowhome area
On the industril space - yes - some already under way - CHOP is building a 1 Sq facility on one parcel. There are 3 new towers along the waterfront going up - cranes even and the 30th street railyard is being planned for later with other infill
And its not a huge barrier - its a 2 minute walk
Have you ever seen the foot traffic accross these bridges actually?
That is really good. Sometimes, I wish people wouldn't try to compete all the time on this site. Can't I post what is happening in D.C. and you post what is happening in Philly, and then we can all just be happy for each other? Do you really think if a city is doing more than D.C., I would get on here and complain or cry that there was more going on there than D.C. like 99.9% of the people on this site do? No, I would say that looks great and good for them. Jealousy is a pretty potent drug for some on here and no, I am not talking about you.
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That is really good. Sometimes, I wish people wouldn't try to compete all the time on this site. Can't I post what is happening in D.C. and you post what is happening in Philly, and then we can all just be happy for each other? Do you really think if a city is doing more than D.C., I would get on here and complain or cry that there was more going on their than D.C. like 99.9% of the people on this site do? No, I would say that looks great and good for them. Jealousy is a pretty potent drug for some on here and no, I am not talking about you.
MD my issue was was with area and differences; which I am pretty certain we dont see the same way. DC absolutely has more developement than Philly, no doubt
I just personally dont see how you could develop a footprint hat includes the area around National stadium seperated by a huge highway and then claim U City isnt cohesive because there is amsall river which takes two minutes to walk accross
and there are about 800 units in the South Broad area of S Philly you posted - actually generally larger scale projects then the above you posted. But again that is not area I included - as like capital hill to me its still more a traditional rowhome area
Ok, we need to clear somethings up. The VERY FIRST map I posted didn't have many rowhouses at all. You said it was 8 miles squared which I agree with, however, you included many area's I didn't include on my map when you tried to post a similar area in Philly. I didn't post those area's like up 7th street, 14th street, 13th street, H street etc. etc. how about you draw the map for D.C. with cut outs up streets like you did with your map and compare that?
Let's be clear here, what do you think the size of Capitol Hill is south of H Street, West of Hill East, and north of Capital Riverfront? Are you really trying to say that it's comparable to the area I posted for Philly?
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MD my issue was was with area and differences; which I am pretty certain we dont see the same way. DC absolutely has more developement than Philly, no doubt
I just personally dont see how you could develop a footprint hat includes the area around National stadium seperated by a huge highway and then claim U City isnt cohesive because there is amsall river which takes two minutes to walk accross
I said you could include U City but I would then include up 7th street, 9th Street, 13th Street, 14th street, and down H Street like you did with your map headed down toward south Philly. Also, if you include all those big buildings with rowhomes, I should include Dupont Circle too because let's be honest, Center City has rowhouses in the heart of it which I have not even brought up.
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