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So about 7 sq miles compared to say 10-11 sq miles
And this was my point all along really that 25 sq miles was significantly over stating it and that 1 sq mile was significantly understating the comparison for Philly
DC def has a larger footprint area wise of commercial and the sorts
How many people work in this space for DC - know it is significant but dont recall the number. I know this is also larger for DC
For Philly its 280K on the CC side and 80K on the U City side so about 360k
think DC is over 600K but dont recall the actual number
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So about 7 sq miles compared to say 10-11 sq miles
And this was my point all along really that 25 sq miles was significantly over stating it and that 1 sq mile was significantly understating the comparison for Philly
DC def has a larger footprint area wise of commercial and the sorts
How many people work in this space for DC - know it is significant but dont recall the number. I know this is also larger for DC
For Philly its 280K on the CC side and 80K on the U City side so about 360k
think DC is over 600K but dont recall the actual number
How come you cut out Columbia Heights? Also, why did you cut out Howard University and the massive redevelopment taking place in all those parking lots and across their campus? How come you didn't include H Street?
By the way, I really appreciate you making that map, it's pretty cool. Could you include the area's I just talked about and make a new map?
was a quick estimate - probably not perfect. still point is no where near 25 sq miles. I'll buy 10+ though intensity dimishes moreso than any comparison would to NYC - You and DC are the ones that always make the DC footprint comparison - no one else even those very familiar seem to agree.
I just think overall you are comparing the wrong scale
On this topic of urbanity one thing to me is certain the urban expanse (albeit rowhomes) is significantly larger in Philly - probably more than two-fold. The DC "DT" footprint does cover a larger area - probably not quite as intense as the smaller footprinted CC on the whole
was a quick estimate - probably not perfect. still point is no where near 25 sq miles. I'll buy 10+ though intensity dimishes moreso than any comparison would to NYC - You and DC are the ones that always make the DC footprint comparison - no one else even those very familiar seem to agree.
I just think overall you are comparing the wrong scale
On this topic of urbanity one thing to me is certain the urban expanse (albeit rowhomes) is significantly larger in Philly - probably more than two-fold. The DC "DT" footprint does cover a larger area - probably not quite as intense as the smaller footprinted CC on the whole
I can agree with all you just said.
I think D.C. has way more large activity nodes developing outside this area though. Philly has no answer for the Poplar Point/St. Elizabeth area nor does Philly have an answer to the Rosslyn-Ballston Corridor, Potomac Yard, Crystal City, Pentagon City, Bethesda, Silver Spring, White Flint, or Downtown Tyson's. Overall, Philly will always have a larger uninterrupted urban footprint, but D.C. will have four times the amount of major downtown's which to me are more important for vibrancy. A south Philly row house street can't touch Silver Spring vibrancy. But to each his own right.
I think D.C. has way more large activity nodes developing outside this area though. Philly has no answer for the Poplar Point/St. Elizabeth area nor does Philly have an answer to the Rosslyn-Ballston Corridor, Potomac Yard, Crystal City, Pentagon City, Bethesda, Silver Spring, White Flint, or Downtown Tyson's. Overall, Philly will always have a larger uninterrupted urban footprint, but D.C. will have four times the amount of major downtown's which to me are more important for vibrancy. A south Philly row house street can't touch Silver Spring vibrancy. But to each his own right.
Guess to each their own - but would say Pasyunk Sq to me is more interestingly vibrant than is SS. SS doesnt really do anything for me but is very nice adition to the area and good job center. In terms of organic vibrancy - ehh
DC does have more satallite areas but I think you also discount some of the other DTs around Philly
Places like Manuyunk, Chestnut Hill, Ardmore, Bryn Mawr, Wayne, West Chester, Media, Conshy, Doylestown, Wilmington, Hoddonfield to name a few
MD have you ever explored the areas around Philly (not KOP) am just curious. They are not like Bethesda but are pretty active
Guess to each their own - but would say Pasyunk Sq to me is more interestingly vibrant than is SS. SS doesnt really do anything for me but is very nice adition to the area and good job center. In terms of organic vibrancy - ehh
DC does have more satallite areas but I think you also discount some of the other DTs around Philly
Places like Manuyunk, Chestnut Hill, Ardmore, Bryn Mawr, Wayne, West Chester, Media, Conshy, Doylestown, Wilmington, Hoddonfield to name a few
MD have you ever explored the areas around Philly (not KOP) am just curious. They are not like Bethesda but are pretty active
I haven't explored all of Philly, but I am not talking about old town Alexandria vibrancy, you know me, I'm talking about large building vibrancy. I don't do the "cute retail strips" sort of thing.
I will give you an example, guess what my favorite part of NYC is?
It's Midtown Manhattan. Now how many people do you know that would say that? Most would not.
I haven't explored all of Philly, but I am not talking about old town Alexandria vibrancy, you know me, I'm talking about large building vibrancy. I don't do the "cute retail strips" sort of thing.
I will give you an example, guess what my favorite part of NYC is?
It's Midtown Manhattan. Now how many people do you know that would say that? Most would not.
Thats all good many people enjoy Midtown. Thing is no place else in the US - even larger DTS (maybe with the exception of Chicago) have anything but cute little re creations. And I am hopeful you are trying to say SS, Bethesda, Ballston, Tysons are like Midtown... but maybe you are - Maybe if you like White Plains NY that is the better comparator
Same with me, none of those areas do anything for me b/c they are so removed. I have no interest in TOD development in the suburbs, b/c well, it's the suburbs, and what you end up with is a bunch of dense insular satellite cities. Definitely something like White Plains. It's basically like they are bringing back a modern version of better organized suburban development with central downtowns. While I applaud that style of development for those who wish to live out there, it simply won't ever place living in or near a massive urban center. That's one thing I don't like about DC at the metro level, when I looked for jobs there in the past, so many of the non gov related jobs seemed to be out in Silver Spring, Chevy Chase, Bethesda, etc. My experience is a large portion of people in the DC area are actually suburban oriented, definitely more so than at least Chicago or New York. DC itself is cool though, it would be nice to have a lot more people move in to the actual city. There is great housing stock esp on the East Side that could use touching up.
I think D.C. has way more large activity nodes developing outside this area though. Philly has no answer for the Poplar Point/St. Elizabeth area nor does Philly have an answer to the Rosslyn-Ballston Corridor, Potomac Yard, Crystal City, Pentagon City, Bethesda, Silver Spring, White Flint, or Downtown Tyson's. Overall, Philly will always have a larger uninterrupted urban footprint, but D.C. will have four times the amount of major downtown's which to me are more important for vibrancy. A south Philly row house street can't touch Silver Spring vibrancy. But to each his own right.
Tough to say. While the DC area probably has more vibrancy in it's downtown areas, there are still plenty of major urban downtowns outside of the Philly city proper.
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