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View Poll Results: Which is more urban?
Washington D.C. 21 14.48%
Philadelphia P.A. 124 85.52%
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Old 10-17-2013, 08:40 AM
 
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Philly for sure, DC's structural density is somewhere between Chicago and Los Angeles. DC is the least structurally dense of NYC, Baltimore, Philadelphia or Boston even if it has higher pockets or nicer in some areas. It has European boulevard wide style streets without any of the smaller alleyways and walkways to go with them.
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DC is less structurally dense than Los Angeles.
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Old 10-17-2013, 08:53 AM
 
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DC is getting manhandled

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Old 10-17-2013, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Currently DC has one census tract in the mid 60,000 ppsm range and another at about 45,000 ppsm and most range from 5,000 ppsm in the business dominated areas to about 30,000 ppsm in the denser more residential areas of the core.

Outside of DC's core the density seems to range from a little over 25,000 ppsm to a few tracts around 2,000 ppsm.

Philly seems to remain at or above 20,000 ppsm over a much larger area. Philly also has a peak census tract in the mid 60,000 range and has many census tracts in the central areas around 40,000 ppsm and up which cover a much larger area than DC's do.

Obviously population density is not everything but Philly's row houses cover a much larger area than DC's which start to die out and turn into detached single family homes before leaving the city limits in many areas. Also like DC Philly has many inner suburbs that are very high density.

The census done prior to 2010 is pretty outdated now in 2013 for a city that has seen so much growth in the last three years much less what it will be in 2020. D.C. has built and is still building so many units in the core area that you will see census tracts in the upper 80,000's people per square mile in 2020. I'm talking thousands of housing units in some of the core census tracts. That will obliterate the 2010 data. If you take a look at the amount of construction taking place in the core, it's pretty easy to see that D.C. will have a core density that is pretty high.

I will give you an example:

NOMA Neighborhood Development after the census:

Storey Park (350 units breaks ground next year)
Capitol Point (375 units under construction)
2 M Street (314 units under construction)
Camden NoMa - phase 1 (321 units under construction)
50 Florida Avenue (185 units breaks ground next year)
Constitution Square (203 units Delivered)
701 2nd Street (377 units under construction)
Trilogy at NoMa (NoMa West) (603 units Delivered)
Washington Gateway (400 units under construction)
77H (303 units under construction)
Archstone First + M (469 units Delivered)
Daily D.C. permits for Sept. 25, 2013 - Washington Business Journal (436 units under construction)

Total Built/Under Construction/Breaking Ground Soon: 4,336 Units
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Old 10-17-2013, 09:28 AM
 
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DC is less structurally dense than Los Angeles.
Maybe so, I was thinking it was a little more so, guess not.

I guess structurally dense of the big cities we usually talk about I'd rank them Boston/Philly tie, NYC, SF, Chicago, LA, DC off top of my head.
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Old 10-17-2013, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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DC is getting manhandled

Philly may be more structrually dense than D.C. now, but I doubt that will remain the case. D.C.'s structural intensity is moving at lightning pace right now:

I gave an example of the NOMA neighborhood above, I will give you another example of a different neighborhood.


Logan Circle/Mid City Neighborhood:

http://dc.urbanturf.com/pipeline/225/Abdo_14th__Rhode_Island/ (30 Units)
http://dc.urbanturf.com/pipeline/243/13th_and_U_Street_NW/ (138 Units)
http://dc.urbanturf.com/pipeline/103/Louis_at_14th/ (267 Units)
http://dc.urbanturf.com/pipeline/158/The_Irwin/ (53 Units)
Central Union Mission (51 units Under Construction)
1628 11th Street NW (33 units)
1101 Rhode Island Avenue (30-40 Units)
14th and Wallach Street NW (56 Units)
Northern Exchange (36 Units)
The Aston (31 Units)
1905-1917 14th Street (144 Units)
The Corcoran at 14th (40 Units)
1456-1460 Church Street (35 Units)
2221 14th Street (30 Units)
2200 14th Street (18 Units)
11M (80 Units)


Total Units Either Under Construction/Or About To Breakground: 1,072 Units
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Old 10-17-2013, 09:46 AM
 
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I'm pretty sure DC passed LA and Philly on structural density about 30 minutes ago. In about 5 hours it will probably be above NYC.
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Old 10-17-2013, 09:51 AM
 
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Maybe so, I was thinking it was a little more so, guess not.

I guess structurally dense of the big cities we usually talk about I'd rank them Boston/Philly tie, NYC, SF, Chicago, LA, DC off top of my head.
I don't think "structural density" is a very intuitive concept. Most people walking down an average DC street would assume that the city is structurally denser because of the appearance of the built environment. Los Angeles, however, may have more actual units in the same area despite a built environment that appears less dense and walkable. When a lot of regular people say "density," they are thinking of an urban format that's similar to New York, Paris or London rather than a technical computation that simply divides the number of units by the land area.
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Old 10-17-2013, 09:53 AM
 
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i'm pretty sure dc passed la and philly on structural density about 30 minutes ago. In about 5 hours it will probably be above nyc.
lol
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Old 10-17-2013, 09:55 AM
 
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I'm pretty sure DC passed LA and Philly on structural density about 30 minutes ago. In about 5 hours it will probably be above NYC.
Lol!!
The time people waste trying to boost their city is hilarious.
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