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Downtown Tyson's at full build out will be like downtown/Midtown Atlanta really. It won't be anything like a northeastern city. It will be pretty impressive for a suburb though. If you can show me a suburb that will be more urban and built up than Downtown Tyson's, I sure would like to know. The density in Tyson's will be really high.
Lol no. Downtown Atlanta still has a grid and was built out like a pre-auto downtown. Even Midtown Atlanta is on a grid that has been set for over half a century now. Tyson's Corner will be nothing like Midtown or Downtown Atlanta at all...Midtown Atlanta is much more likely to be built out first then Tyson's Corner....
Lol no. Downtown Atlanta still has a grid and was built out like a pre-auto downtown. Even Midtown Atlanta is on a grid that has been set for over half a century now. Tyson's Corner will be nothing like Midtown or Downtown Atlanta at all...Midtown Atlanta is much more likely to be built out first then Tyson's Corner....
The plan for Tyson's Corner in that video looks denser than Downtown/Midtown Atlanta. Also, there is much more demand currently in D.C. and the surrounding municipalities than there is in ATL. Therefore, I highly doubt Midtown will be built out before Tyson's Corner.
The plan for Tyson's Corner in that video looks denser than Downtown/Midtown Atlanta. Also, there is much more demand currently in D.C. and the surrounding municipalities than there is in ATL. Therefore, I highly doubt Midtown will be built out before Tyson's Corner.
That plan is set for 2050....Midtown Atlanta is going to be built out much before then. They still have to build out the grid system which will take years to do. Midtown Atlanta has a grid already.
Atlanta Development | A project by project display of Atlanta Development - Midtown currently has 17 highrises proposed or being developed currently. I highly doubt it will be built out before Midtown Atlanta does and certainly won't feel more dense then a fully built out Midtown Atlanta. Remeber, Midtown Atlanta is barely .72 square miles also.
Lol no. Downtown Atlanta still has a grid and was built out like a pre-auto downtown. Even Midtown Atlanta is on a grid that has been set for over half a century now. Tyson's Corner will be nothing like Midtown or Downtown Atlanta at all...Midtown Atlanta is much more likely to be built out first then Tyson's Corner....
Downtown/Midtown Atlanta is linear so the grid you are talking about is not really big. That is actually about the same size as the grid being built in Downtown Tyson's. You hit single family homes pretty quick when in downtown Atlanta and even more so in Midtown. Atlanta is built more so with single family homes surrounding an urban center like Downtown Tyson's will be. They are virtually the same size. Also, Downtown Tyson's is building a grid just like Atlanta's linear grid for Midtown/Downtown Atlanta's urban center. Google Image Result for http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/tysons/comprehensiveplan/images/comptrans6.jpg
That plan is set for 2050....Midtown Atlanta is going to be built out much before then. They still have to build out the grid system which will take years to do. Midtown Atlanta has a grid already.
Atlanta Development | A project by project display of Atlanta Development - Midtown currently has 17 highrises proposed or being developed currently. I highly doubt it will be built out before Midtown Atlanta does and certainly won't feel more dense then a fully built out Midtown Atlanta. Remeber, Midtown Atlanta is barely .72 square miles also.
Downtown Tyson's is zoned for 100,000 people. That is extremely dense. You think Midtown and Downtown Atlanta will accommodate that many people? I don't know if Midtown or Downtown Atlanta has room for 100,000 people in high-rise's, there isn't that much room to add that amount of development in the area. You will need to have over 50,000 housing units.
I think it will feel more intimidating than Downtown DC because of the tall buildings much like Center City, Chicago, etc etc. does, however, downtown DC will be 4 times the size of Downtown Tyson's and those other downtowns so they are just different. Downtown DC's development including (NOMA, Northwest One, SW Eco District, SW Waterfront, Capital Riverfront, Mt. Vernon Triangle to add to what is now downtown DC is close to the size of Manhattan. We are talking about an area that will be far larger than Tyson's or Center City for that matter so it may not be a good comparison. I guess a good question would be, what is a similar area in size to Manhattan that people can make a comparison too at over 20 square miles? Maybe we can use whatever that city is to compare to the boundaries of the buildout Downtown DC which will also be over 20 square miles?
MD my question on Tysons was more rhetorical - Honestly I dont see the similarities of place like a built out Tysons to a Boston or Philly DT - it wont feel the same, a larger scaled Bethesda will still be a larger scaled Bethesda (concentrated residential density or not - there is vastly more to it than that)
Which brings me to the quoted points above - a larger scaled footprint of DC will still be a larger DC, not Manhattan
Also - I dont why you make this academic comparison to Manhattan. It doesnt really feel anything like it regardless of a footprint - the intensities are just so far off your comparison to me discredits anything but purely some lines on the map and doesnt pass a sniff test.
I think you go too far with these, honestly you lose creditbility - just walking outside in these places you can understand the difference. Just as Tysons will never mistaken for CC, DC will never be mistaken for Manhattan. DC is fine for what it is but please stop making these comparisons - they are silly no matter what slant you put on them
Lol if you believe a suburban office park being transformed into a more urban like district will feel more walkable and dense than a metropolitan core that was already urban and walkable from the beginning. While the Midtown Atlanta grid is only about half a mile wide, it is nearly 2 miles long. It may not be able to fit 100k people, but density certainly can and should get high up there
MD my question on Tysons was more rhetorical - Honestly I dont see the similarities of place like a built out Tysons to a Boston or Philly DT - it wont feel the same, a larger scaled Bethesda will still be a larger scaled Bethesda (concentrated residential density or not - there is vastly more to it than that)
Which brings me to the quoted points above - a larger scaled footprint of DC will still be a larger DC, not Manhattan
Also - I dont why you make this academic comparison to Manhattan. It doesnt really feel anything like it regardless of a footprint - the intensities are just so far off your comparison to me discredits anything but purely some lines on the map and doesnt pass a sniff test.
I think you go too far with these, honestly you lose creditbility - just walking outside in these places you can understand the difference. Just as Tysons will never mistaken for CC, DC will never be mistaken for Manhattan. DC is fine for what it is but please stop making these comparisons - they are silly no matter what slant you put on them
When I compare DC to Manhattan, it's not in intensity, it's in multifamily buildings and office buildings being the main development present versus single family row homes etc. DC is the only city, while maybe short that has such a large area without and single family row homes etc over such a large area except Manhattan and that area is growing by a wide margin even more so now.
When I compare DC to Manhattan, it's not in intensity, it's in multifamily buildings and office buildings being the main development present versus single family row homes etc. DC is the only city, while maybe short that has such a large area without and single family row homes etc over such a large area except Manhattan and that area is growing by a wide margin even more so now.
But there are many rowhouse areas in the places you descibe - even in Manhattan for that matter. DC is absolutely developing at a rapid pace and lots of great in fill projects but have to be honest I just dont dee the comparison the same way you do. That said DC has some very impressive developments going on within and outside the city. Absolutely far more than Philly in this regard
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