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From a cultural amenities and livability standpoint, I agree with you. This, however, is talking about places to live that are outside of the core of D.C. that still give the option for urban living. D.C. is expensive and many people that want an urban lifestyle but can't afford the core of the city live outside of the city proper. D.C. is one of the few cities that offers this level of urbanity outside of the core. In most other cities, you would have no option like these satellite cities outside of their actual downtown's and Atlanta is one of those examples.
Decatur and Marietta have pretty good downtowns. They're not nearly as intense as the DC ones, but they are walkable.
Subway access? you don't need one if you are downtown.
Subway Frequency? same thing
Amount of parking lots? not very relevant and most don't have *that* many parking lots
Population Density? you asked what is more urban, not which has the most people. most of those places have a decent downtown even if the rest of the city isn't that great.
Is this post serious? NYC, SF, LA, Chicago and Boston are the only one's comparable. The rest... lol.
of course it's serious, you think bethesda and silver springs have better downtowns than philadelphia seattle or portland???
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Originally Posted by MDAllstar
I think you are mistaking what is being argued here. This thread and discussion is not about amenities. It's about urban built form. Things like population density, built form (building street relationship), rapid transit access and frequency, walkability, and urban design. If you go back and read, nobody is talking about museums, restaurants, or cultural attractions. That is for another thread and let's be honest here, you are talking about Washington D.C. which is a peer to NYC, LA, and Chicago etc. when talking about cultural offerings. D.C. doesn't compete with the lower tiered cities you are listing.
No, you are talking about the suburbs of washington DC. I think you are really underrating these other cities downtowns. downtowns across the country have had lots of revitalization.
Population density is *not* urban built form. Doesn't walkability have to do with where you actually walk to? That is what walkscore is based on, no? If one place has way more stuff, then walkability to things you need should be up. Walkability is DIRECTLY tied to amenities.
You are reallllly moving the goal posts around a lot here to make your case.
University City is apart of Philly's core so it's not an outside core downtown like the ones in D.C. Kidphilly defined the core already. University City was added to Center City, without it being added to Center City, Philly's core is diminished pretty substantially. Are you saying University City shouldn't be included with Center City when going up against D.C.'s core? University City was added to Center City I believe to give Philly a fighting chance against the D.C. urban core footprint.
All I'm saying is that University City and Templetown are not part of the downtown area of Philly. Center City alone rivals anything urban in the entire DC city proper.
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I will give you an example, I want to go somewhere other than Center City for an urban experience, with high-rise's and subway access, where do I go?
If the DC suburbs are so urban why is Center City Philly filled with MD and Virginia license plates every weekend? Center City is by far the second biggest/best urban experience on the east coast behind only Manhattan.
Center City Philly is becoming a decaffeinated version of Manhattan/Brooklyn. The word is out and quite frankly Im getting a little annoyed at the influx of mid-lantic urban posers blocking up Center City streets trying to parallel park in a futile fashion.
All I'm saying is that University City and Templetown are not part of the downtown area of Philly. Center City alone rivals anything urban in the entire DC city proper.
Bwaaaahhhhhh.......
Center City is great, but let's not act like it's really that large. It's a fraction of D.C.'s core so no, it doesn't rival anything in D.C. proper. How long do you think it would take to walk from the northern half of Center City to the southern half? If someone wants to live in a small little radius, then Center City is great, but if someone desires to leave those few blocks, they will face a major drop of in intensity. That is what the last 10 pages of this thread has been discussing. The core.
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If the DC suburbs are so urban why is Center City Philly filled with MD and Virginia license plates every weekend? Center City is by far the second biggest/best urban experience on the east coast behind only Manhattan.
Center City Philly is becoming a decaffeinated version of Manhattan/Brooklyn. The word is out and quite frankly Im getting a little annoyed at the influx of mid-lantic urban posers blocking up Center City streets trying to parallel park in a futile fashion.
I'm still trying to find out where this whole Center City versus the D.C. suburbs competition came from? This is D.C. suburb downtown's versus Philly suburb downtown's. Center City is compared to D.C., not it's suburbs.
I'm still trying to find out where this whole Center City versus the D.C. suburbs competition came from? This is D.C. suburb downtown's versus Philly suburb downtown's. Center City is compared to D.C., not it's suburbs.
The history of the 2 regions has to be mentioned in this discussion . The Philadelphia suburban downtowns were industrial dynamos, we all now what happened to post industrial small towns in the usa. Left behind, forgotten about with the new growth in the surrounding suburbs.
The downtowns of DC are in large part modern nuevo rich bedroom communities spawned by the federal government. A specific bonus gift in large part paid by me and everyone else throughout the US.
But when you talk pure urbanity Wilmington,Trenton,Upper Darby, Norristown,Conshohocken Coatesville,Downingtown make Bethesda,Alexandria, Silver Spring look suburbanesque.
That's not to say that Bethesda ,Silver Springs aren't more efficient and modern than the Philly suburbs because they are. Again you can thank the rest of the countrys hard work for your fresh shiny energentic little hamlets.
The history of the 2 regions has to be mentioned in this discussion . The Philadelphia suburban downtowns were industrial dynamos, we all now what happened to post industrial small towns in the usa. Left behind, forgotten about with the new growth in the surrounding suburbs.
The downtowns of DC are in large part modern nuevo rich bedroom communities spawned by the federal government. A specific bonus gift in large part paid by me and everyone else throughout the US.
But when you talk pure urbanity Wilmington,Trenton,Upper Darby, Norristown,Conshohocken Coatesville,Downingtown make Bethesda,Alexandria, Silver Spring look suburbanesque.
That's not to say that Bethesda ,Silver Springs aren't more efficient and modern than the Philly suburbs because they are. Again you can thank the rest of the countrys hard work for your fresh shiny energentic little hamlets.
Did I mention I hate DC with A Passion
Believe me, everyone can pretty much sense your jealousy and hatred from a mile away. Just keep your &%% up I-95 and we will be good.
Philly is a lot more urban than DC.
DC's landscape has too much southern and country influence by American standards IMO.
Philly's urban built form (as well as NYC's, Baltimore's, Boston's, Chicago's, SF's) beats DC.
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