CHICAGO vs CLEVELAND ... These Results May Surprise Many Of You! (America, population)
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If you'd read the post I responded to and processed my response in context, you'd have your answer and you could have saved yourself the effort of writing a tome in response.
drover, my good buddy, you know i love tomes. actually i was aware you said more. believe it or not, my response was not directed to you. it was in response to all the population issues that appear on this and other thread.
other than that, you, as one of my biggest fans, know that the tome will continue to be my style of writing….for better, or as you think, worse. and for the record, i don't only enjoy writing longer, detailed posts, I enjoy reading them. Maybe the makes me the minority, but I love it when people take the time to explain what they are saying in detail. those are the posts that I get the most from. It's sort of "to each his own". You like to write and read shorter posts. I like to write and read longer ones. Neither your way or my way is better. Variety is the spice of life and, yes, we're all different.
drover, my good buddy, you know i love tomes. actually i was aware you said more. believe it or not, my response was not directed to you. it was in response to all the population issues that appear on this and other thread . . .
Cleveland could be a lot like what is going in Pittsburgh today - its already heading that way and has good urban bones. Attracting jobs for educated folks. Expanding on its eds/meds foundation and increasing vibrancy. All things that are feasible and sustainable. Dont think Cleveland will ever see huge growth but can be very balanced sustained and enhanced all together.
Cleveland could be a lot like what is going in Pittsburgh today - its already heading that way and has good urban bones. Attracting jobs for educated folks. Expanding on its eds/meds foundation and increasing vibrancy. All things that are feasible and sustainable. Dont think Cleveland will ever see huge growth but can be very balanced sustained and enhanced all together.
I'd like to see Cleveland get back to like 450,000 people. I like Cleveland because it isn't a trendy popular place. Normal people can live exceptional lives there. This is becoming rarer and rarer anywhere on the coasts, or in bigger cities.
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Cleveland is going through a great change right now. Fixing the once abandoned neighborhoods one house at a time. The amount of redevelopment happening in Cleveland is incredible. And Cleveland's thriving University Circle neighborhood, containing much of Cleveland's things to do, such as the Cleveland Clinic and University Hospitals campuses and headquarters there, Cleveland's art district, Cleveland's Little Italy neighborhood, Cleveland's world famous Cleveland Orchestra, and most of Cleveland's museums and art galleries, along with the end part of the world famous Rockefeller Park. Cleveland is better than Chicago any day.
Then don't list a bunch of amenities, because Chicago is clearly better at those than Cleveland. Talk about cost of living or quality of life (less rat race/traffic/density) or whatever suits you, because everything on your list above is inarguably done at a higher level in Chicago - this is a backfire. And I like Cleveland (and would probably feel about equal in terms of moving there or Chicago, personally).
I'd like to see Cleveland get back to like 450,000 people. I like Cleveland because it isn't a trendy popular place. Normal people can live exceptional lives there. This is becoming rarer and rarer anywhere on the coasts, or in bigger cities.
You are right. I feel the same way about some of the up and coming cities. They are losing what made them special in trade for the hipster, expensive condo, instant gratification populous. The normal people that you speak of are being priced out of the city, or in some cases, out of the state.
Location: Cleveland, OH USA / formerly Chicago for 20 years
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Originally Posted by MassVt
For one thing, Chicago does NOT have a punitive cost of living.
You're thinking of Manhattan, SF and maybe LA..throw in Boston for good measure..
It's all relative. Chicago's cost of living is relatively punitive compared to Cleveland's -- in the realm of housing prices, at least. It's also relatively punitive compared to most other major Midwestern cities: Columbus, Indianapolis, St. Louis, Detroit, Kansas City, etc.
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