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Old 12-04-2014, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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I don't think Chicago, Houston, and Philadelphia are that far behind those three though.
It's difficult to find that in Philly too. There was Leroy's on Baltimore Ave, but it "burned down."

Ratchets dominate the scene in nearly all of these cities. I'm not as familiar with Houston or Chicago, but if ratchets run DC, then I'm guessing they run the scene in those cities too. DC actually has an abundance of sophistiratchets.
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Old 12-04-2014, 10:05 PM
 
Location: The Left Toast
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It's difficult to find that in Philly too. There was Leroy's on Baltimore Ave, but it "burned down."

Ratchets dominate the scene in nearly all of these cities. I'm not as familiar with Houston or Chicago, but if ratchets run DC, then I'm guessing they run the scene in those cities too. DC actually has an abundance of sophistiratchets.
What's a "Sophistiratchet?"
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Old 12-04-2014, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Detroit
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LMFAO!!! I'm pretty sure they were high as a kite when they shot this video. When I first heard this on the radio I had to actually stop and listen to the lyrics and I said "wtf... you know that "loud" was present in the studio that day lol.

OP: I think any big city that has a large AA culture will have enough middle aged and middle class blacks to have the venues you are looking for.
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Old 12-05-2014, 12:04 AM
 
Location: Prince George's County, Maryland
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at "sophistiratchet".
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Old 12-05-2014, 06:27 AM
 
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at "sophistiratchet".
That is up there with THOT.
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Old 12-05-2014, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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OP: I think any big city that has a large AA culture will have enough middle aged and middle class blacks to have the venues you are looking for.
Not really. The OP is really talking about the Vh1 Soul crowd. That style makes up a rather small percentage of the Black population in any metro.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llNI2Av31tw
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Old 12-05-2014, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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It's hard to find a venue that will play this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aShfolR6w8

Every club is going to play this though.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsVnUpl2IKQ
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Old 12-05-2014, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Look at the music of the Hip Hop/R&B Billboard Top 10 at the end of the 90s compared to today. This is for the week of December 5, 1998, December 4, 1999 and December 5, 2014. It says a lot about the listening public.

1998

1. Nobody's Supposed to Be Here - Deborah Cox
2. Lately - Divine
3. Doo Wop (That Thing) - Lauryn Hill
4. Love Like This - Faith Evans
5. How Deep is Your Love - Dru Hill
6. Can I Get A - Jay-Z
7. Trippin' - Total
8. Love Me - 112
9. All the Places (I Will Kiss You) - Aaron Hall
10. Hard Knock Life (Ghetto Anthem) - Jay-Z

1999

1. U Know What's Up - Donnell Jones
2. 24/7 - Kevon Edmonds
3. Get Gone - Ideal
4. 15 Minutes - Marc Nelson
5. If You Love Me - Mint Condition
6. Hot Boyz - Missy Elliott
7. Back at One - Brian McKnight
8. We Can't Be Friends - Deborah Cox
9. 4,5,6 - Sole feat. J.T. Money
10. Spend My Life With You - Eric Benet & Tamia

2014

1. I Don't F*** With You - Big Sean
2. Tuesday - I Love Makonnen
3. Hot N**** - Bobby Shmurda
4. No Type - Rae Sremmund
5. Don't Tell 'Em - Jeremih feat. YG
6. Black Widow - Iggy Azalea
7. Lifestyle - Rich Gang feat. Young Thug & Rich Homie Quan
8. Only - Nicki Minaj
9. Beg for It - Iggy Azalea
10. New Flame - Chris Brown & Usher
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Old 12-05-2014, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Look at the music of the Hip Hop/R&B Billboard Top 10 at the end of the 90s compared to today. This is for the week of December 5, 1998, December 4, 1999 and December 5, 2014. It says a lot about the listening public.

1998

1. Nobody's Supposed to Be Here - Deborah Cox
2. Lately - Divine
3. Doo Wop (That Thing) - Lauryn Hill
4. Love Like This - Faith Evans
5. How Deep is Your Love - Dru Hill
6. Can I Get A - Jay-Z
7. Trippin' - Total
8. Love Me - 112
9. All the Places (I Will Kiss You) - Aaron Hall
10. Hard Knock Life (Ghetto Anthem) - Jay-Z

1999

1. U Know What's Up - Donnell Jones
2. 24/7 - Kevon Edmonds
3. Get Gone - Ideal
4. 15 Minutes - Marc Nelson
5. If You Love Me - Mint Condition
6. Hot Boyz - Missy Elliott
7. Back at One - Brian McKnight
8. We Can't Be Friends - Deborah Cox
9. 4,5,6 - Sole feat. J.T. Money
10. Spend My Life With You - Eric Benet & Tamia

2014

1. I Don't F*** With You - Big Sean
2. Tuesday - I Love Makonnen
3. Hot N**** - Bobby Shmurda
4. No Type - Rae Sremmund
5. Don't Tell 'Em - Jeremih feat. YG
6. Black Widow - Iggy Azalea
7. Lifestyle - Rich Gang feat. Young Thug & Rich Homie Quan
8. Only - Nicki Minaj
9. Beg for It - Iggy Azalea
10. New Flame - Chris Brown & Usher

Music changes. What was the R&B Billboard Top 10 in 1980 or 1970? I'm sure they would say the same thing about 1998. Think about how long ago 1998 was. What did your parents say about hiphop when it first came out? Think about that.
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Old 12-05-2014, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Music changes. What was the R&B Billboard Top 10 in 1980 or 1970? I'm sure they would say the same thing about 1998. Think about how long ago 1998 was. What did your parents say about hiphop when it first came out? Think about that.
By 1998, music had not reached the point of total and complete degeneracy. Puffy and his shiny suits were still the exception then, not the norm. And R&B artists still had a strong presence on Billboard whereas today they do not. In the late 90s, Lauryn Hill, Erykah Badu, D'Angelo, Maxwell, Dru Hill and Donnell Jones all had platinum albums.

Today the market for someone like Marsha Ambrosius is very niche. R&B artists are way underperforming relative to the hip hop artists. Artists like Elle Varner, Gabi Wilson, Luke James, and Esperazna Spalding get no radio play (unless they're on a track with Rick Ross or something). John Legend seems to be the one exception here. But today he's more of a "legacy" artist with a strong crossover following as opposed to an up and comer.

If you are an R&B artist, your commercial appeal is pretty much dead on arrival unless you go the August Alsina route.
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