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First of all, which downtown is "better" is going to be subjective no matter what, but perhaps we should come up with some criteria for what may constitute better in this case. Population, density, # of amenities, parks, total downtown malls? I don't know.
Second, way to take those lines out of context. A real burn, that was.
How about hospitals, medical centers and life science industry? Columbus surely leads in those area given how prominent Ohio State figure into any discussion regarding Columbus.
But we're talking about a downtown. If any place in a city is supposed to have density, it's that area. Sure, people can live wherever they want, and there are a wide range of choices, from urban to suburban, in just about every city.
I have no idea how many people visit Columbus every year, nor for Indy. Do you have those numbers?
German Village is not in Downtown, it's just to the south and a separate neighborhood. It's also largely residential, with only a scattered amount of retail. It's been that way since it was built in the 1800s... the type of mixed-use neighborhood that was fairly common to the time. It's probably one of the best-preserved historic neighborhoods in the Midwest, and was one of the largest areas in terms of neighborhoods ever put on the National Register of Historic Places. Fountain Square may be perfectly nice, but it's not that. FS is more like Olde Towne or Weinland Park... a neighborhood that saw a lot of decline but is on its way back.
Speaking of the highway separation, that is one commonality between FS and GV in terms of their connections to their downtowns. A plan is in place now to build highway caps, similar to the 670 cap in the Short North, to reconnect German Village with Downtown by building across the highway. These will be constructed during the rebuilding of 70 over the next few years.
I know gv isn't downtown which is why I made the comparison to fountain sq. Both just outside both considered spots in their city. When speaking of cbus on here at least gv 1st or 2nd always mentioned while a hood like fs hardly ever mentioned. Was it last year someone said fs doesn't compare to gv even though they are very close on paper as far as amenities.
How about hospitals, medical centers and life science industry? Columbus surely leads in those area given how prominent Ohio State figure into any discussion regarding Columbus.
No, iu health Indy is a top 1% hospital (#17) in the nation (us news who publishes the best hospital rankings year in and year out). CBus doesn't have a top 1% ranking with any of its hospitals. IU med school is based in Indianapolis, not Bloomington. Iu med, 2nd largest med school and highly regarded and Methodist @16th largest in MW. I've never seen cbus on Amy list as a top life science area. Last report I saw was from 2014 with Indy ranked 14th.
No, iu health Indy is a top 1% hospital (#17) in the nation (us news who publishes the best hospital rankings year in and year out). CBus doesn't have a top 1% ranking with any of its hospitals. IU med school is based in Indianapolis, not Bloomington. Iu med, 2nd largest med school and highly regarded and Methodist @16th largest in MW. I've never seen cbus on Amy list as a top life science area. Last report I saw was from 2014 with Indy ranked 14th.
Pretty sure Riley Children's Hospital is a part of IU, it's also a nationally recognized and respected hospital.
Meridian is not a great comparison to High Street. Maybe up to 16th Street with some development planned through there, but that is a reach.
For roads that have that sort of continuous development feel in Indianapolis, Mass Ave and Virginia Ave probably come closest if we are talking about things that run from downtown. East 10th could, as that corridor comes back. Indianapolis is playing catch-up in the neighborhood department, but that catch up is happening.
Okay, well I'd be interested in the visual comparison with any streets you guys think are comparable. I'm putting mine together now.
https://goo.gl/maps/ywcgI
On the opposite side of High/Rich is the recently completed HighPoint at Columbus Commons residential project. Probably my least favorite development in recent years, it still brought over 300 units and ground floor retail to High. You can't see it clearly in this view, but looking down Rich Street is a corner lot on Rich and 3rd. A new mixed-use tower, Two25 was just recently announced there, with potential to be over 20 stories should the demand be there. Details on the project here: 17-Story Mixed-Use Building Announced at Columbus Commons | ColumbusUnderground.com
https://goo.gl/maps/PvwGs
This is W. Town and High. The big building was the former Lazarus, but was renovated a few years back as the Ohio EPA with a green roof and retail facing High.
https://goo.gl/maps/ClbRT
Just to the north of the Madison's site is the 1-story and a surface lot. The new owner of the Madison's complex wants to build mixed use towers here once the renovation work is complete on the buildings just to the south. This was announced in the last week or so, but there are no other details yet.
https://goo.gl/maps/3jyLX
And finally on Gay and High, there is this building. Despite its current look, it dates back to 1870. There was a fire that damaged it, but it will be restored with mixed-use including residential. Here are some details: Unit Detail | Day Companies
Futher down Gay Street from this location is the continuing expansion of the Neighborhood Launch area, where hundreds of residential units are under construction.
https://goo.gl/maps/Q9HAO
This is Long and High, and the building in the center is the Atlas Building. It is finishing up a total renovation into residential. The surface lots just to the north have eventual plans to be developed, but no details on that yet.
https://goo.gl/maps/JGlQq
A little ways north from there is Nationwide Blvd and High. Here we have new offices and a small landscaped park for Nationwide itself. Behind that is the Arena District, which continues to expand.
https://goo.gl/maps/USdbd
Just down from that is the brand new Hilton across from the convention center.
https://goo.gl/maps/8Ty37
Just past the Hilton is a collection of historic buildings, almost all of which have recently been renovated into mixed-use or are in the process of being so. Behind these buildings is North Market, which is also planning an expansion.
https://goo.gl/maps/aK55U
On the other end of the convention center, at the intersection of High and Goodale, the center itself will be getting an addition.
https://goo.gl/maps/BlhdK
Looking north from here, we have the Cap, a retail bridge that spans across I-670. This is similar to what is being planned for High and I-70, so you can't see the highway at all.
https://goo.gl/maps/0dxPn
Now we enter the Short North. The tall building in the back is the 11 Story Le Meridian hotel that was just completed.
https://goo.gl/maps/JX3Pk
Opposite the hotel is a 6 story mixed-use building, also recently completed. Behind it is a brand new art gallery.
https://goo.gl/maps/kiaUa
A bit further down we have this building, which is being renovated with residential on top, and already has a restaurant on the ground floor. The company that owns it is also planning to develop the surface lot just to the south in the next year or so.
https://goo.gl/maps/y8ZF9
782 N. High, just a bit further, will get a 4 story addition. Another building is in preliminary proposal to be built on top of the existing alley to the left.
https://goo.gl/maps/8pZBL
Across the street is brand new The Hubbard project, a mixed-use building that stretches back into Italian Village along Hubbard. Behind it, there are 2 more multi-story residential projects under way.
https://goo.gl/maps/WbJ9e
On the southwest side of 2nd Avenue and High, there is the new 3-story addition to the existing 1-story... the Northstar Addition. Paradise Garage, just to the south, faces similar upward expansion.
https://goo.gl/maps/92ceb
On the northeast side of 2nd, you have the new Fireproof development. Partially a renovation of an existing historic building and partially a new build, this was completed recently for the most part.
Okay, I think that's enough for now, but almost every single intersection from the beginning of Downtown on the south end to 3rd Avenue in the Short North has recently completed buildings, ongoing construction or upcoming construction projects.
https://goo.gl/maps/ywcgI
On the opposite side of High/Rich is the recently completed HighPoint at Columbus Commons residential project. Probably my least favorite development in recent years, it still brought over 300 units and ground floor retail to High. You can't see it clearly in this view, but looking down Rich Street is a corner lot on Rich and 3rd. A new mixed-use tower, Two25 was just recently announced there, with potential to be over 20 stories should the demand be there. Details on the project here: 17-Story Mixed-Use Building Announced at Columbus Commons | ColumbusUnderground.com
https://goo.gl/maps/PvwGs
This is W. Town and High. The big building was the former Lazarus, but was renovated a few years back as the Ohio EPA with a green roof and retail facing High.
https://goo.gl/maps/ClbRT
Just to the north of the Madison's site is the 1-story and a surface lot. The new owner of the Madison's complex wants to build mixed use towers here once the renovation work is complete on the buildings just to the south. This was announced in the last week or so, but there are no other details yet.
https://goo.gl/maps/3jyLX
And finally on Gay and High, there is this building. Despite its current look, it dates back to 1870. There was a fire that damaged it, but it will be restored with mixed-use including residential. Here are some details: Unit Detail | Day Companies
Futher down Gay Street from this location is the continuing expansion of the Neighborhood Launch area, where hundreds of residential units are under construction.
https://goo.gl/maps/Q9HAO
This is Long and High, and the building in the center is the Atlas Building. It is finishing up a total renovation into residential. The surface lots just to the north have eventual plans to be developed, but no details on that yet.
https://goo.gl/maps/JGlQq
A little ways north from there is Nationwide Blvd and High. Here we have new offices and a small landscaped park for Nationwide itself. Behind that is the Arena District, which continues to expand.
https://goo.gl/maps/USdbd
Just down from that is the brand new Hilton across from the convention center.
https://goo.gl/maps/8Ty37
Just past the Hilton is a collection of historic buildings, almost all of which have recently been renovated into mixed-use or are in the process of being so. Behind these buildings is North Market, which is also planning an expansion.
https://goo.gl/maps/aK55U
On the other end of the convention center, at the intersection of High and Goodale, the center itself will be getting an addition.
https://goo.gl/maps/BlhdK
Looking north from here, we have the Cap, a retail bridge that spans across I-670. This is similar to what is being planned for High and I-70, so you can't see the highway at all.
https://goo.gl/maps/0dxPn
Now we enter the Short North. The tall building in the back is the 11 Story Le Meridian hotel that was just completed.
https://goo.gl/maps/JX3Pk
Opposite the hotel is a 6 story mixed-use building, also recently completed. Behind it is a brand new art gallery.
https://goo.gl/maps/kiaUa
A bit further down we have this building, which is being renovated with residential on top, and already has a restaurant on the ground floor. The company that owns it is also planning to develop the surface lot just to the south in the next year or so.
https://goo.gl/maps/y8ZF9
782 N. High, just a bit further, will get a 4 story addition. Another building is in preliminary proposal to be built on top of the existing alley to the left.
https://goo.gl/maps/8pZBL
Across the street is brand new The Hubbard project, a mixed-use building that stretches back into Italian Village along Hubbard. Behind it, there are 2 more multi-story residential projects under way.
https://goo.gl/maps/WbJ9e
On the southwest side of 2nd Avenue and High, there is the new 3-story addition to the existing 1-story... the Northstar Addition. Paradise Garage, just to the south, faces similar upward expansion.
https://goo.gl/maps/92ceb
On the northeast side of 2nd, you have the new Fireproof development. Partially a renovation of an existing historic building and partially a new build, this was completed recently for the most part.
Okay, I think that's enough for now, but almost every single intersection from the beginning of Downtown on the south end to 3rd Avenue in the Short North has recently completed buildings, ongoing construction or upcoming construction projects.
No, iu health Indy is a top 1% hospital (#17) in the nation (us news who publishes the best hospital rankings year in and year out). CBus doesn't have a top 1% ranking with any of its hospitals. IU med school is based in Indianapolis, not Bloomington. Iu med, 2nd largest med school and highly regarded and Methodist @16th largest in MW. I've never seen cbus on Amy list as a top life science area. Last report I saw was from 2014 with Indy ranked 14th.
My comment was dripping with sarcasm. Jbcmh81 downplays Indy's GDP and downtown and suggested we come up with another criteria that would constitute a better case.
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Originally Posted by jbcmh81
First of all, which downtown is "better" is going to be subjective no matter what, but perhaps we should come up with some criteria for what may constitute better in this case. Population, density, # of amenities, parks, total downtown malls? I don't know.
Second, way to take those lines out of context. A real burn, that was.
I brought up the hospitals, medical center and life science subject because you would think having a major university like Ohio State in your midst that Columbus would be head and shoulders above Indy in the area. Instead he continues to go to Columbus' only clear cut advantage which is established neighborhoods.
My comment was dripping with sarcasm. Jbcmh81 downplays Indy's GDP and downtown and suggested we come up with another criteria that would constitute a better case.
I brought up the hospitals, medical center and life science subject because you would think having a major university like Ohio State in your midst that Columbus would be head and shoulders above Indy in the area. Instead he continues to go to Columbus' only clear cut advantage which is established neighborhoods.
I'm not downplaying Indy's GDP, I just disagree that it's all that different from its peers, which was the basis for starting this thread. That's not downplaying, that's being realistic. Indy doesn't have a 200 billion economy while everyone else is still at 100 billion.
Columbus has 7,000 more jobs in the health industry than Indianapolis according to the BLS, and those jobs are growing at a faster rate. Regardless of ranking of individual hospitals, this is a strong area for Columbus' economy.
Thanks, I haven't even done the area between the SN and Campus, which has tons of big projects ongoing or planned. And High really goes beyond Campus, to Clintonville, etc.
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