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How is the percentage 39%, when the difference of the metros isn't even a third of Hartford's metro?
It's not hard. I'm using your numbers to do some very simple math:
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I know this, but it isn't "much" larger and Albany's metro is more like 870-880,000. Albany is a part of a region of 1.2 million as well.
If Albany's metro is 870,000 and Hartford's is 1,212,000, that's a difference of 342,000. 342,000 divided by Albany's metro pop (870,000) is .39310345. Or to put it in percentages, 39.31%. Hartford's metro is more than 39% larger than Albany's.
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Also, a difference between a CSA that is 1.5 million is much different than one that is 1.2 million? Come on, man.....lol
Using the same math as above, 300,000 people is 25% of Albany's 1.2 Million people. If Albany all of a sudden grew by 25% we'd say it's a HUGE increase in people. No, 300,000 people isn't a ton of people on a national level, but it's a lot relative to the Capital Region's 1.2 Million. Hell, it's 1/4 of the population!
It's not hard. I'm using your numbers to do some very simple math:
If Albany's metro is 870,000 and Hartford's is 1,212,000, that's a difference of 342,000. 342,000 divided by Albany's metro pop (870,000) is .39310345. Or to put it in percentages, 39.31%. Hartford's metro is more than 39% larger than Albany's.
Using the same math as above, 300,000 people is 25% of Albany's 1.2 Million people. If Albany all of a sudden grew by 25% we'd say it's a HUGE increase in people. No, 300,000 people isn't a ton of people on a national level, but it's a lot relative to the Capital Region's 1.2 Million. Hell, it's 1/4 of the population!
Why are you using the Albany area numbers instead of the Hartford area numbers to get the difference? It wouldn't make sense to divide the difference into the smaller metro. It is actually a 28% difference.
I understand what you are saying, but 1.5 million and 1.2 million isn't that big of a difference and there are other factors to consider in the comparison.
Why are you using the Albany area numbers instead of the Hartford area numbers to get the difference? It wouldn't make sense to divide the difference into the smaller metro. It is actually a 28% difference.
I understand what you are saying, but 1.5 million and 1.2 million isn't that big of a difference and there are other factors to consider in the comparison.
Still, over 1/4 of the population at these numbers is a big deal.
And as a native NYer, it is better for the state when Albany is prospering as a city
Why are you using the Albany area numbers instead of the Hartford area numbers to get the difference? It wouldn't make sense to divide the difference into the smaller metro. It is actually a 28% difference.
I understand what you are saying, but 1.5 million and 1.2 million isn't that big of a difference and there are other factors to consider in the comparison.
Because that's how you calculate percent more than. Here's a good resource on calculating these things (look at number 4- the toothpaste example). If I'm calculating how much bigger Hartford is than Albany, I find the total difference (342,000) and divide that number by the population of my subject (Albany). So I'm right when I say Hartford is 39% larger than Albany because I'm using Albany as the subject. You're not wrong to say Albany is 28% smaller than Hartford either. However, you're using Hartford as the subject there.
For me the "other factors" are feel. Albany feels a lot smaller than Hartford in my experience.
Because that's how you calculate percent more than. Here's a good resource on calculating these things (look at number 4- the toothpaste example). If I'm calculating how much bigger Hartford is than Albany, I find the total difference (342,000) and divide that number by the population of my subject (Albany). So I'm right when I say Hartford is 39% larger than Albany because I'm using Albany as the subject. You're not wrong to say Albany is 28% smaller than Hartford either. However, you're using Hartford as the subject there.
For me the "other factors" are feel. Albany feels a lot smaller than Hartford in my experience.
Exactly, the 'other factors' give Hartford a huge advantage over Albany
Exactly, the 'other factors' give Hartford a huge advantage over Albany
It does? Albany has a lower crime rate in terms of city and metro, has a range of urban options along with nice suburban areas, a growing tech sector, it is basically a wash in terms of educational attainment, better if you like mountains and schools are probably a wash. I'm not saying it is "much" better, but Albany is comparably favorable in many metrics, in comparison.
It does? Albany has a lower crime rate in terms of city and metro, has a range of urban options along with nice suburban areas, a growing tech sector, it is basically a wash in terms of educational attainment, better if you like mountains and schools are probably a wash. I'm not saying it is "much" better, but Albany is comparably favorable in many metrics, in comparison.
Hartford's suburbs are top-of-the-line 'burbs, mainly because that is what CT is known for.
Also, Hartford dominates one field (insurance), not sure Albany does that
There are also some Victorians along the Union Street corridor in Schenectady as well. http://uniontriangle.org
Another example I posted earlier in the thread was from Cohoes.
I wasn't saying that Schenectady wasn't an city with any urban neighborhoods, but the built structure is more similar to a New England city (or Rochester or Buffalo) than the other cities in the Capital region, which all have dense rowhouse neighborhoods.
Cohoes is another small city which is similar, which I did miss. Few people outside of the Capital Region would know it exists.
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Outside of Center Square isn't that basically what Albany is too? (could be wrong, I'm not super familiar with Albany)
Albany has a lot of other rowhouse neighborhoods, just not desirable ones. Some examples here, here, here, and here.
These two cities make a good case for comparison.
Having grown up in the Berkshires and in and out of Albany and Hartford for years, I'd say that Hartford seems a good deal larger. The Springfield metro area and New Haven metro areas are very close to Hartford and Hartford is on a main road connection between NYC and Boston. More transportation options. I've always found that there are more flights in and out of Bradley for me than Albany.
Also better shopping, more sprawl.
Hartford has a really challenged downtown, not attractive. Albany does have a beautiful historic district, however we have Nelson Rockefellar to blame for blasting a hole in Albany's downtown 50 yrs ago.
I'm not sure that Hartford has anything in its reach as attractive as Saratoga near Albany though. It's a real gem and a draw. As well as Lake George. Unless you consider the CT shore.
I'm not sure that Hartford has anything in its reach as attractive as Saratoga near Albany though.
How would you compare Northampton to Saratoga Springs? I've never been to Saratoga Springs, but I have been to Northampton and find it to be quite appealing. On paper, there appear to be similarities. Not sure how that translates to real life though. I'd wager the area around Saratoga Springs is prettier, but Northampton isn't exactly in an ugly spot either.
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