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There’s a big difference between 30 min walk and 2 minute walk. I was addressing the other poster who is stressing the 2 minute walk part. Honestly, it’s not hard to see where the food deserts are in Baltimore. Just go to Google maps and type grocery store. You will see large areas within Baltimore proper that have no grocery stores. There are obviously parts with grocery stores, but stressing 2 minute walk like it’s the norm in Baltimore is just not true.
Yeah no food deserts in Baltimore. I wasn’t born yesterday, mate.
The concept of food desert is inherently flawed and classist. No one loves in an actual good desert in Baltimore-that’s preposterous. When I lived in Hartford CT that was a real food desert, one grocery store in the edge of the city’s 17 square miles . It’s a contrived take on a serious issue. But they’re more common in rural areas. It’s good PR for Uber and that’s about it.
A 30 minute walk is the walk it Would have taken me to get to my old job, alternatively it’s a 5 minute drive. Outside of that everything is 15 minutes tops. Quite literally.
A 2 minute walk isn’t gonna get me to much of what I want, anywhere . Unless I live on top of businesses on a main drag which isn’t what I want. I don’t know if I’d have my whole life in a 2 minute walk if I lived in midtown Manhattan...honestly.
I don’t find large areas without a grocery store in Baltimore. I find large areas without high end grocers. But you’re acting like there aren’t multiple full scale supermarkets within 2 minute walks for the working poor in Baltinore-that’s just not true, not at all. Cherry Hill has Cherry Hill Grocery, Belair-Edison has Food Depot: Brooklyn has Genes supermarket. Pimlico has Harvest Fare Supermarket. Just Gmgoogle any of these places.
You don’t need to live in Fells for that. The whole take is just classist.
Its blighted, probably most of the 8 big Northeast Corridor cities.. (Bos, Prov, Hart, NY, Newark, Phl, Bal, DC). That definitely makes people overlook it.
But yeah, if Ballitmore followed a similar trajectory as Boston after 1950 it would be alike. Or maybe a smaller Philly.
The concept of food desert is inherently flawed and classist. No one loves in an actual good desert in Baltimore-that’s preposterous. When I lived in Hartford CT that was a real food desert, one grocery store in the edge of the city’s 17 square miles . It’s a contrived take on a serious issue. But they’re more common in rural areas. It’s good PR for Uber and that’s about it.
A 30 minute walk is the walk it Would have taken me to get to my old job, alternatively it’s a 5 minute drive. Outside of that everything is 15 minutes tops. Quite literally.
A 2 minute walk isn’t gonna get me to much of what I want, anywhere . Unless I live on top of businesses on a main drag which isn’t what I want. I don’t know if I’d have my whole life in a 2 minute walk if I lived in midtown Manhattan...honestly.
I don’t find large areas without a grocery store in Baltimore. I find large areas without high end grocers. But you’re acting like there aren’t multiple full scale supermarkets within 2 minute walks for the working poor in Baltinore-that’s just not true, not at all. Cherry Hill has Cherry Hill Grocery, Belair-Edison has Food Depot: Brooklyn has Genes supermarket. Pimlico has Harvest Fare Supermarket. Just Gmgoogle any of these places.
You don’t need to live in Fells for that. The whole take is just classist.
How is the concept of food deserts “classist”. The fact that Food deserts exist is classist and they do exist in many low income areas across the country. As a kid in Atlanta, we always had to take hour bus rides to the closest grocery store and it was hell.
Its blighted, probably most of the 8 big Northeast Corridor cities.. (Bos, Prov, Hart, NY, Newark, Phl, Bal, DC). That definitely makes people overlook it.
But yeah, if Ballitmore followed a similar trajectory as Boston after 1950 it would be alike. Or maybe a smaller Philly.
Slightly smaller Philly of it followed Boston trajectory post 1950..it’d have 900k people.
Baltimore’s urbanity is underrated because all people see is the harbor and blight. Which is what I saw at first. But it’s much much more than that with a lot of functional yet gritty urban neighborhoods. Tons of them.
How is the concept of food deserts “classist”. The fact that Food deserts exist is classist and they do exist in many low income areas across the country. As a kid in Atlanta, we always had to take hour bus rides to the closest grocery store and it was hell.
Because people in food deserts don’t necessarily or want to shop the same way as people of higher classes. By definition it overlooks many smaller independent grocers who do in fact offer produce. I think it’s contrived. Now if you live in a place that’s just a subdivision or culdesac full of homes and you happen to be in some suburban southern city like ATL -I get it....but discounting tons of small mom and pop grocers because there isn’t a wegmans around is disrespectful to their efforts and the local economy and classist.
Honestly in most European cities folks buy groceries every couple of days or every day-locally. You’ll find many folks doing this in urban areas and people in my neighborhood are often walking around with just one to two grocery bags. Only in America does it have to be the norm to stock up on massive amounts of food at Whole Foods or star market.
How is the concept of food deserts “classist”. The fact that Food deserts exist is classist and they do exist in many low income areas across the country. As a kid in Atlanta, we always had to take hour bus rides to the closest grocery store and it was hell.
The idea of food deserts in Baltimore is bogus. Look at this map of what they consider a good desert, they’re literally 2-3 blocks from a supermarket in some cases.
Just the poverty pimps peddling this nonsense. One major criteria is all households having a median income that’s below 185% of the poverty level. It also necessitates 3”% of people don’t have cars so it’s kind of more about the demographics of whole lives there than being in a desert. If you make 150% of the poverty level and live .3 miles away from a supermarket (never mind minimarts with produce). The. You’re in a food desert? It’s dumb.
The residential neighborhood I live in in Seattle has 3 full scale grocery stores (of varying quality) within a 10 minute walk, day cares, preschools, dozens of bars within walking distance, dozens of very decent restaurants, library, bookstores, 4 neighborhood parks, recital halls, science museum, children’s museum, community pool, gyms, sculpture park. All walkable. The downtown core is about a 10-15 min bus ride away and so Pike Place is easy to get to as well, which is one of the largest and oldest public farmers markets in the country. Few cities even in the top 5 have anything close to Pike Place. Then there is the ferry terminal, International District all in that area too. I can access all 3 pro sports and one D1 college stadiums by 15-20 min public transit.
So let’s not trivialize it as ax throwing.
This goes against the grain of most tourists, but Pike Place was underwhelming for me. In LA terms it's like a small fish market with a larger farmers market attached to an even larger indoor swap meet. The Redondo Beach pier has a much larger fish market with many more restaurant options, next to a much nicer beach at the start of the bike path that travels all the way to the beach in Malibu and it's not even a major attraction for LA. I ate at Pike's Market but was disappointed at the dining options. And as someone that walked there, I'm convinced that the overwhelming number of visitors drive there.
I'm in the minority as it gets great reviews on TripAdvisor and it's certainly better than walking around looking at stars on a sidewalk, but being from LA and going to similar markets in many cities, it didn't do it for me.
Because people in food deserts don’t necessarily or want to shop the same way as people of higher classes. By definition it overlooks many smaller independent grocers who do in fact offer produce. I think it’s contrived. Now if you live in a place that’s just a subdivision or culdesac full of homes and you happen to be in some suburban southern city like ATL -I get it....but discounting tons of small mom and pop grocers because there isn’t a wegmans around is disrespectful to their efforts and the local economy and classist.
Honestly in most European cities folks buy groceries every couple of days or every day-locally. You’ll find many folks doing this in urban areas and people in my neighborhood are often walking around with just one to two grocery bags. Only in America does it have to be the norm to stock up on massive amounts of food at Whole Foods or star market.
I live in a small place, with a small refrigerator so I have to get groceries frequently. I think that it's normal in urban areas to get groceries frequently, especially when you don't have lots of space. I like that I live very close to two grocery stores, but I admit that the experience that I have gained with deliveries over the last year may have changed forever how necessary it is to be so close. But it's certainly not "only in America" to buy lots of groceries.
This goes against the grain of most tourists, but Pike Place was underwhelming for me. In LA terms it's like a small fish market with a larger farmers market attached to an even larger indoor swap meet. The Redondo Beach pier has a much larger fish market with many more restaurant options, next to a much nicer beach at the start of the bike path that travels all the way to the beach in Malibu and it's not even a major attraction for LA. I ate at Pike's Market but was disappointed at the dining options. And as someone that walked there, I'm convinced that the overwhelming number of visitors drive there.
I'm in the minority as it gets great reviews on TripAdvisor and it's certainly better than walking around looking at stars on a sidewalk, but being from LA and going to similar markets in many cities, it didn't do it for me.
I agree LA has great farmers and seafood markets. But Pike Place crushes places like Boston. Which goes back to the point that I think LA and Seattle both get lower points on urbanity for their more SFH style housing but functionally they are often more urban than the urban Northeast.
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