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If L.A. is to be docked points for structural/walkability issuses, then I see no reason not to dock Baltimore points for abandonment and lower population density.
If there's one word I'd use to describe Baltimore, it would be idleness. In too many neighborhoods it's people--Black or White--just sitting around with apparently nowhere to go and nothing to do. And while you can say that any city has bums sitting around, it's not even close to being the same in these other places. Baltimore has a lethargic feeling unlike the cities to its immediate north and south. There seems to be no sense of urgency, ever.
Baltimore has a Philadelphia type layout, yes, but it does not have Philadelphia type densities(or DC densities for that matter), and consequently feels much less active than that city. I could see how people would rank it behind L.A. or Seattle notwithstanding the fact it has a better "urban skeleton."
Baltimore has a similar housing stock to Philly (both are obviously predominantly row house cities) but Baltimore has a different layout from Philly. Baltimore's streets are definitely wider than Philly's on average and in result, Baltimore noticeably has a more spread out feel and ultimately a different type of layout compared to Philadelphia. So Baltimore's abandonment combined with its wider street layout is the reason why it does not reach similar densities to Philadelphia. Baltimore has the urban bones to be eventually be back in the top 6 most urban cities but I would currently place it behind cities like DC or maybe even LA
So probably a lot of day visitors to SA or they're staying with family I'd imagine.
It isn't necessarily just about the # of visitors a place get but what type and what they spend. Honolulu's tourists spend billions more than other cities that get several times the tourists they do, same with SF.
I have a friend who works for one of the airlines who visited me in the city for a weekend last year and flew into SFO and out of SJ (this person is visiting again this summer). I have another friend who visited me last month for a weekend before working for a few days down in SJ. Flew into SFO and left out of SJ. While maybe not "common", I bet it's more common than we think. Oakland certainly is every bit as much for SF as SFO is. I fly out of Oakland a ton. For the LA/SoCal routes, since both Oakland and SFO offer flights, then yea, I would imagine hardly any LA-SJ routes are for leisure trips to SF, but maybe there are people just like my friends with unique circumstances (visit SF, work in SJ). I am not sure how either of my friends would have been counted as visitors to SF considering we did no tourist stuff and they stayed at my place. I guess that happens in SA, but I feel like it probably happens a lot more in SF, which is a city, like NYC or LA, that a lot of people spend an effort visiting, especially if they have friends in these cities.
Nope. They are 100% accurate. That is what's left after you've removed the lower density areas on the periphery of the city limits.
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Originally Posted by nephi215
Baltimore has a similar housing stock to Philly (both are obviously predominantly row house cities) but Baltimore has a different layout from Philly. Baltimore's streets are definitely wider than Philly's on average and in result, Baltimore noticeably has a more spread out feel and ultimately a different type of layout compared to Philadelphia. So Baltimore's abandonment combined with its wider street layout is the reason why it does not reach similar densities to Philadelphia. Baltimore has the urban bones to be eventually be back in the top 6 most urban cities but I would currently place it behind cities like DC or maybe even LA
Baltimore has wider streets than Philly but I'm not sure if that's really the reason why Philly is twice as dense in its core.
Baltimore can't come close to Seattle. Way less educated, way less office space, and lower rents for the space it has. Never mind Amazon HQ, if Amazon opened a warehouse in Dundalk, Baltimore would hail it a sign of tech resurgence, and we'd have to start hearing about the Silicon Ghetto.
Way less educated? You're an idiot. The Baltimore Metro is one of the most highly educated regions in the nation. Seattle is barely beating blue collar Baltimore in this regard.
Baltimore's has nothing to worry about - we've been an underdog on the east coast for over a hundred years - even when we had a million people in the city proper. Once Under Armour develops Port Covington it will be hard to deny the ongoing revitalization of Maryland's largest city.
Baltimore City is one of the most urban cities in the nation in terms of built environment. Period. There's people on the west coast claiming to be more urban and they don't even know what a rowhouse is. LOL.
Lol, the only shot that Atlanta or Seattle had at being more urban than Baltimore was if the city completely burned down two months ago. Guess what - it didn't. You can keep pretending though.
Boston is more urban than LA? This board is hilarious.
Just depends what's meant by urban. On density alone LA wins but I think most would argue that there's a little more to it than just density. Boston is more walkable, more lively, and has a more urban built form than LA
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