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Old 07-21-2016, 08:02 AM
 
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San-Fran and Chicago both have bigger cores than DC.

Like I said DC's urban core isn't large at all, it's on the same level as Boston.
You are contradicting yourself. DT DC has more office space than SF.
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Old 07-21-2016, 08:08 AM
 
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The opposite is true. In terms of traditional urbanity, LA doesn't hold a candle to DC.

Also, why are people saying that DC has a small urban core? I don't get it. DC may have the second largest traditional urban core in the U.S.
Too hung up on traditiomal.
la has more walkable areas than dc does, easily.
and it only going to become more walkable as it adds all the housing to its commercial streets.
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Old 07-21-2016, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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DC goes ham on office space but most of it is wasted and downright suburban in how generous space is per worker:

From a debate in 2013

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It's a very interesting and quite telling stat that I never gave much thought to before.

As MDAllstar pointed out:
D.C. Metro Area: 426,392,853 square feet of office space

San Francisco & San Jose Combined MSAs: 203,602,718 square feet of office space

So if we take these 2 figures from Collier's and divide them by the number of employed persons there are according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the results are as follows:

Sq ft of office Space Per Employee
Washington DC 141 sq ft
San Francisco & San Jose MSAs Combined: 66 sq ft

The average employee in DC needs more than twice the office space to do their job as an employee in SF/SJ? That's really strange.

Just looking at Boston, its around 76 sq ft of office space per employed person.
DC workers basically each get a dorm room. LOL.
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Old 07-21-2016, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Too hung up on traditiomal.
la has more walkable areas than dc does, easily.
and it only going to become more walkable as it adds all the housing to its commercial streets.
LA crushes DC and it's not close.
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Old 07-21-2016, 08:40 AM
 
Location: New York City
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You are contradicting yourself. DT DC has more office space than SF.
It's not all about office space. Tyson's Corner has more office space than most major cities in this country but Tyson's built environment IS NOT urban at all. It feel like a suburban office park, which it is.
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Old 07-21-2016, 08:42 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Based on what? DC has a physically larger core than both Chicago and SF, and has more office space than both Chicago and SF. It has a larger area of consistent street level urbanity.

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DC has a height limit which does make the city seem a lot less urban and it's extra long blocks also take away from it's urbanity. Chicago and SF feel like bigger cities than DC and they are... (DC if bigger than SF land wise but SF is more urban).
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Old 07-21-2016, 09:24 AM
 
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DC goes ham on office space but most of it is wasted and downright suburban in how generous space is per worker:

From a debate in 2013



DC workers basically each get a dorm room. LOL.
Well the government is pretty wasteful.
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Old 07-21-2016, 09:33 AM
 
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DC has a height limit which does make the city seem a lot less urban and it's extra long blocks also take away from it's urbanity. Chicago and SF feel like bigger cities than DC and they are... (DC if bigger than SF land wise but SF is more urban).
You aren't making any sense. No one is saying DC is more urban than SF or Chicago but you have to acknowledge that it's urban core (DT area) is larger than SF. The height limit in DC is the reason why DT DC has urban canyons (miles of office buildings). As for the government buildings, that's only around the Mall area and in SW DC. If you are in the middle of DT DC on 18th and L streets, the blocks aren't long at all. This is typical of all of DT. Chicago by far has way more suburban areas with surface parking, strip malls, gas stations and big box stores compared to DC. The streets are also much wider.
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Old 07-21-2016, 09:34 AM
 
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It's not all about office space. Tyson's Corner has more office space than most major cities in this country but Tyson's built environment IS NOT urban at all. It feel like a suburban office park, which it is.
DT DC has Tysons aren't built in the same form. I thought you use to live in DC? Any six grader knows this.
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Old 07-21-2016, 09:36 AM
 
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DC goes ham on office space but most of it is wasted and downright suburban in how generous space is per worker:

From a debate in 2013



DC workers basically each get a dorm room. LOL.
Your stat is very misleading. Compare office space per worker in DC city versus SF city. The fact that the DC metro area has double the office space of SF is laughable.
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