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It seems to me that you troll every thread that involves Cleveland.
"Beats the snot out of Cleveland in every regard?"
Really? New Orleans has no world class art museum, no world class orchestra, no MLB team, and has comparatively second-rate architecture.
Oh, yeah, it's totally dependent on federal largesse to keep from drowning.
Now, you can bash Cleveland some more and tell us once again how this doesn't matter, at least to the likes of you.
I am NOT bashing CLE! Seriously, Relax. I really like CLE. Put it up against Tampa, Orlando Phoenix, heck, even Dallas, Vegas, KC, you name it, I pick CLE.
But not here. You are not being honest with yourself. Have you honestly spent time in New Orleans? Outside the quarter? You really are kidding yourself if you think Cleveland has even a fraction of the urban vitality and pedestrian activity. It is not even close. Thats why New Orleans is rightfully trouncing CLE in this poll.
Honestly, I know you love CLE, but if you travel and live more places, you will see what I mean.
The hailing a cab thing IS important. Not because I am older, but that is still the mark of a large urban city.
And for the love of god, CLE museums are NOT world class. They are nicer and bigger, but not even close it world class. Seriously! Go to London, Paris, New York, Chicago, etc. There you will find world class. Not in Cleveland. And that is why Cleveland sees no more tourists than any other midsize midwest city and NEVER will. Sorry. Its not bashing CLE but reality. Everyone I have every met from CLE can admit this but three people on city-data perpetuating myths that cleveland has "world class" attractions. No one is buying it.
I have been to the CMA several times, and while I think it is easily a top 20, maybe top 10 art museum in the USA, it is a nice legacy but by no means "world class." But if that is your sticking point, so be it. I will stick with the city with more urbanity, more pedestrians, more tourism, more soul, and more life. So will 71% of the pollsters here. This doesn't mean we "bash" CLE. Just keeping it real.
As I said: twice, both times for a week and without a car.
The vast majority of tourists do not have a car when they visit and they find it perfectly fine to navigate and keep coming back.
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Originally Posted by bjimmy24
The notion of hailing a cab from the street is so 1997. This is something that only people over 40 do. So no, Cleveland isn't good for that. It's also something that is pretty trivial and only for the technologically challenged. Cabs will be gone soon and in 10 years, nobody will even know what you mean by "hailing."
Not at all. Tourists hail cabs daily in New Orleans.
And for the love of god, CLE museums are NOT world class. They are nicer and bigger, but not even close it world class. Seriously! Go to London, Paris, New York, Chicago, etc. There you will find world class. Not in Cleveland. And that is why Cleveland sees no more tourists than any other midsize midwest city and NEVER will. Sorry. Its not bashing CLE but reality. Everyone I have every met from CLE can admit this but three people on city-data perpetuating myths that cleveland has "world class" attractions. No one is buying it.
I have been to the CMA several times, and while I think it is easily a top 20, maybe top 10 art museum in the USA, it is a nice legacy but by no means "world class." But if that is your sticking point, so be it. I will stick with the city with more urbanity, more pedestrians, more tourism, more soul, and more life. So will 71% of the pollsters here. This doesn't mean we "bash" CLE. Just keeping it real.
Are you an art historian? If not, you really aren't qualified to speak about the importance of the CMA, which is universally recognized by art historians as world class, with extremely important works, and its world renowned Asian collection. Over half a million visitors go there per year, it just completed a $350 million renovation (largest cultural project in Ohio history), and has one of the highest museum endowments in the US.
By the way, the Rock Hall is also world class and attracts over half a million visitors per year. Don't forget about the world class Cleveland Orchestra either.
New Orleans outside of the French Quarter is not any more urban than Cleveland. Downtown Cleveland is much better more vibrant and clean than the CBD, and City Park isn't as nice as University Circle. Their transit system is also inferior; it has uncomfortable wooden seats, and seemed not to be commuter oriented, but rather more for tourists.
The vast majority of tourists do not have a car when they visit and they find it perfectly fine to navigate and keep coming back.
Not at all. Tourists hail cabs daily in New Orleans.
In Boston too. Many fewer now though. Because most of us have joined the 21st century and use apps. Saves time and money. Bike tenting has become more popular. I used to work in tourism in Boston. The only people that asked me about cabs were my parents age. Not a knock on the 60 and over crowd, but cabs will cease to matter at all very soon.
Peter I'm sorry, but you really don't know much about art.
My art history PhD friends in Moscow routinely asked me to go to the Cleveland museum of art and find some works or see if I could look something up in their library. That's Moscow, Russia. I'd go into the details and rich history of Russian art, but I believe virtually all the names and institutions would be meaningless.
Let's be honest. Cleveland is a great city, but not in the same league as New Orleans. Far more tourists visit New Orleans, New Orleans is much more unique than Cleveland in culture, cuisine, architecture, etc. New Orleans wins this one hands down.
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