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I already mentioned the tiny little blip of downtown Dallas being walkable. This is a very very very small area. That doesn't make up for the fact that when you go past downtown Dallas, it becomes an unwalkable monument to cars. Even most of incorporated Dallas isn't walkable.
I was there in 2014 and 2016. Absolutely NO CHANGE other than more gum stuck to the sidewalk in the West End of Dallas and more flyovers under construction.
You can't have little tiny walkable enclaves and consider an area walkable. It has to be done at the metro planning level, in how you build out the road system. Metro Dallas's road system was built for cars with absolutely no consideration for walkability. The urban core looks pretty much like Plano and Frisco, just older on average. How can you connect up all the strips? How can you make the roads not completely intimidating for pedestrians? What do you do about the pedestrian that has to walk 1/2 mile in each direction alongside speeding cars just to get directly across the six-lane road ALL OVER metro Dallas? Where are the planned HAWK crossings? Oh, sorry, they'd slow down cars...
Overall I think Atlanta core is more urban, but Dallas is no slouch, Outside of Downtown Dallas, their uptown Dallas, and the general Victory Park, and Oaklawn areas this is not a small area. Especially for a Sunbelt city.
I think core is more urban, Downtown, Midtown, Old Fourth Ward, West Midtown, Virginia-Highland, East Atlanta Village, Castleberry, parts of Iman Park, Cabbagetown and etc.
But Metro wise? DFW is largely a grid, DFW suburbs are much more urban It's much more easier to walk to a main road to get to a store in DFW than Metro Atlanta.
Also this is something I notice someone people from DFW have went to Atlanta said it's country because of the tress, while I know some people from Atlanta who thought DFW was country because of the fields. When actually they take up about the same amount of space and fiction as the same.
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Yeah I'm not a fan of those "New Urbanism" neighborhoods, they're nice, but they seem so far off. It would've been better if it was developed near Midtown.
Glenwood Park isn't really "far off" though; it's an intown neighborhood, nestled right in between Grant Park and East Atlanta Village.
Overall I think Atlanta core is more urban, but Dallas is no slouch, Outside of Downtown Dallas, their uptown Dallas, and the general Victory Park, and Oaklawn areas this is not a small area. Especially for a Sunbelt city.
Don't forget Deep Ellum, Old East Dallas, Park Cities, Bishop Arts, Lower Greenville, Knox Henderson, etc.
I'll reiterate that Atlanta has an edge with Downtown and Midtown, but outside of that is where the race gets real close and things start to look in Dallas' favor.
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Also this is something I notice someone people from DFW have went to Atlanta said it's country because of the tress, while I know some people from Atlanta who thought DFW was country because of the fields. When actually they take up about the same amount of space and fiction as the same.
Nature definitely takes up more space in Atlanta than it does in Dallas. The Atlanta urban area is more than 800 square miles larger, despite being smaller in population.
Land wise, Dallas + The Bay Area = Atlanta. That's insane.
Yeah I'm not a fan of those "New Urbanism" neighborhoods, they're nice, but they seem so far off. It would've been better if it was developed near Midtown.
I feel like as for Southern cities; Richmond, Louisville, Birmingham, and New Orleans seem to have better Urban layouts, or development, often resembling Midwestern cities. Although, it's not really a big of an issue because both Atlanta and Dallas are still very walkable, but I'd still love to see some areas develop into something like this.
Glenwood Park isn't really "far off" though; it's an intown neighborhood, nestled right in between Grant Park and East Atlanta Village.
I worded it different; not exactly "far off," but rather separated from EAV by the houses in between, and I20 between Glenwood and and the neighborhoods to the north. Not really a big deal; I think I passed through there once going pass Maynard.
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Birmingham? Interesting.
Yeah, Birmingham was a huge industrial city; so it was developed around an Urban model. Very similar to Detroit, Kansas City, and etc. Most of the neighborhoods in the core are connected by the walking distance.
Far off from where? Glenwood Park is a mile from downtown and is in between two dense neighborhoods of Grant Park and East Atlanta. It's right on the beltline.
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