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Old 05-05-2016, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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I forgot/missed that Indy had been ruled out.

all cities but Cleveland and Louisville have been ruled out some time ago
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Old 05-05-2016, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Chi 'burbs=>Tucson=>Naperville=>Chicago
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I don't know how anyone can say Cleveland isn't a good place for a group of good guy friends to hang out. It is quite puzzling.

You can walk .3 miles through Ohio City and go to 5 breweries. You can then take a party bus to the Indians game. You can watch baseball. You can go to the Thirsty Parrot after (always a classic time). Then hit up the Flats and get back to your downtown hotel. You can go to a casino in the middle of the city on the most recently renovated land in town. You can go to the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame. You can go on a booze cruise on the Good Time. You can play beach volleyball at Whisky Island. There might be a concert at Nautica you could pregame at Shooter's for.

Since OP is interested in sports, let me recommend some sports stuff that Cleveland has to offer:

- Tour of Progressive Field. You're talking to an former Fenway Park tour guide here. I know a couple things about how this business works- and Progressive Field does it way better than we did. If you find a day when the team isn't playing, you can walk all around the warning track to the Tribe dugout, through the bullpen, hang out in the press box, even get a look at the Indians batting cages. When I went two years ago, we even saw some of the Indians players walking through the cages to get to the weight room.
Progressive Field Tours | Cleveland Indians
It costs all of $5, which is donated to charity. Guides know a lot too, they even inspired me to go out to the next thing on the list:

- League Park. This is the original ballpark for the Cleveland Spiders from 1891. The Indians played there too until 1946. 460 feet to dead center, 290 feet to right field, with a 40 foot fence (three feet higher than the Green Monster). I believe Babe Ruth hit his 500th homer there and Dimaggio's hit streak got to 56 here (ended the next day at Cleveland Stadium, where the team played night games). Bob Feller and Satchel Page pitched there too. It was recently renovated a couple years ago and now has a museum. There was a Cleveland State professor working there who is from Boston and knows a ton about baseball, and of course especially League Park. I talked to him for a good 20 minutes. The collection is pretty good- not only Indians stuff, but a whole bunch of items from baseball history in general. Might have even been free, don't quite remember. It's not downtown, but it is really cool to check out. The website claims it as the "Oldest Existing Ballpark in the World" which is kind of controversial to say, but in some ways that is true, and regardless, it has more history than 99% of ballparks anyway.
https://baseballheritagemuseum.org/

- John Heisman house. THE John Heisman, in Ohio City. Easy to walk by and check out if you're doing a bar crawl down W. 25. John W. Heisman - Ohio City's Gridiron Pioneer | Cleveland Historical

- Western Reserve Historical Society has some good stuff from Cleveland Sports history too. In University Circle.
Western Reserve Historical Society, History Center, Hale Farm and Village
If you're into classic cars, they have some amazing stuff for you to check out as well.

- The Pro Football Hall of Fame in Canton is obvious too and worth the drive, but I can understand not wanting to spend the time to get there. I will not play this up too much because the moderator will personally attack me again for trying to make Cleveland seem bigger than it is by including Canton. But it is a great place.

Other stuff I think a group of guys would be into potentially:
- Gray's Armory, right downtown Cleveland Grays Armory Museum | America's Oldest Independent Armory
- Franklin's Castle in Ohio City (near Heisman House and bars) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Castle
- Soldiers and Sailors monument on Public Square is cool if you are at all into military history. Small, but worth checking out and you can get a brief tour if you want.
- The Westside Market (also on W. 25) is easily a top 3 market in the USA.
- William G Mather steam ship Cleveland Steamship William G. Mather | Great Lakes Science Center (you'll see it if you go to the Rock Hall)

^Doing all this stuff above would make for a fantastic weekend. I'll stop there so as not to put too much on anyone's plate. But look into some of it.
Awesome post. Thanks!
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Old 05-05-2016, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Chi 'burbs=>Tucson=>Naperville=>Chicago
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Yeah, I've been to Indy. It's okay. Nice little city, normal conventional stuff to do. But it's not exciting in any way, and one of our friends goes there every year for GenCon - he ruled it out.

I've actually been to that Art Museum though - and it's impressive. It's not downtown though.

Sounds like we can't go wrong with either CLE or LOU. And it seems to have made for an even city v city fight on this thread.

I don't think October rules either of them out. But it may open the door to other places. I originally pushed for NOLA, but my one friend has been there many times - doesn't want to repeat. I have to regroup with the guys.
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Old 05-05-2016, 05:19 PM
 
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This would be one of the best attractions in Cleveland on a mancation. It's a short walk east of the Rock Hall.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g....Memorial.html

Watch, "Run Silent, Run Deep" before the visit.

Note, however, it closes for the season as of Sept. 30.

The Cod was converted directly from reserve duty in Cleveland to a museum ship, and all of its supplies were left on board. You can check drawers, etc., lie on cots.

Its engines still run and its cannon still is fired for ceremonies.

What distinguishes it, however, it that is was never modified. Visitors enter and exit using the original hatches and ladders.

The Great Lakes Science Center is next to the Rock Hall. It houses the Lewis Research Center NASA museum and has a good IMAX theater, but it's not on the same level as Chicago's Museum of Science & Industry, but few science museums in the world are at that level.

The Soldiers & Sailors Monument is definitely worth half an hour and is an easy visit given its location on Public Square.

Soldiers' & Sailors' Monument | Article Archives | Cleveland Magazine - Your guide to the best of Cleveland

If you enjoy corporate history, Sherwin Williams has a small, but well done museum in Tower City's Landmark Office Towers, where SW is headquartered.

Don't miss walking through The Arcade, which runs between Euclid and Superior Avenues with an entrance across from East 4th St. Partially funded by John D. Rockefeller, it's one of America's architectural gems.

http://www.theclevelandarcade.com/hi...the-arcade.htm

If any of your group plays chess, the Cleveland Public Library has one of the nation's best chess collections with a nice public display. The library is located across Superior Ave. from The Arcade.

If you like architecture, here's a good trip report. Read the Cleveland portion.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopi...2015-Ohio.html

Check out Cleveland tour availability such as walking tours, Lolly the Trolley, PlayhouseSquare, and Severance Hall.

Heritage Tourism | Gateway DistrictGateway District

- Downtown Cleveland Alliance

Free Tour of Severance Hall

Take A Tour | PlayhouseSquare

Also, check out tours of First Energy Stadium.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/asset...m%20tours.html
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Old 05-05-2016, 07:00 PM
 
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Yeah, I've been to Indy. It's okay. Nice little city, normal conventional stuff to do. But it's not exciting in any way, and one of our friends goes there every year for GenCon - he ruled it out.

I've actually been to that Art Museum though - and it's impressive. It's not downtown though.

Sounds like we can't go wrong with either CLE or LOU. And it seems to have made for an even city v city fight on this thread.

I don't think October rules either of them out. But it may open the door to other places. I originally pushed for NOLA, but my one friend has been there many times - doesn't want to repeat. I have to regroup with the guys.
Indeed, both are fun cities. Cleveland CAN get snow in October though. Very rare if not almost unheard of in Louisville, however.

I think the OP mentioned that he was going to push for Louisville....then in came the Cleveland contingent. Frankly, it doesn't matter where he chooses, but Louisville will be much more unique compared to where they are from.
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Old 05-05-2016, 07:21 PM
 
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after reading these inane back and forth thread torpedoes, I'd be hesitant to visit Cleveland on the chance I would be waylaid by a gang of these Cleveland Chamber of Commerce Goons.
THIS!

Cleveland is a nice choice for a man cation, but NOT for this one. The OP is from Chicago. Cleveland is a poor man's Chicago.

Louisville is way different culturally (but similar in that it is neighborhood oriented and walkable despite being smaller), drinking, atmosphere, vibe, food, everything. I don'y need to post all the reasons. Louisville matches Cleveland pound for pound, ounce for ounce. I already proved that with my posts of things to do. It is a mere DELUSION that this Cleveland gang truly believes that they have "world class" cultural amenities. Look, Cleveland has a lot of hood, a lot lot of decline, but also some really nice stuff like any mid sized american city.

Some of you would have to actually COME to Louisville to know what I mean. Even with the clown show you produce, I would be happy to show you around. You will be SHOCKED.

This hotel is in the upper echelon in the WORLD. I do not make stuff up:

Awards | 21c Museum Hotels

There is nothing like it in Cleveland with as many accolades. The new one in Cincinnati is even better (mostly because its newer but 21C is a Louisville based company).

Why do you think the company chose Cincinnati, and not Cleveland, as an expansion market?

This is only a few of the city's awards recently:

https://louisvilleky.gov/government/...d-recognitions

https://louisvilleky.gov/government/...uzz-louisville


Louisville real estate is booming because of this:

Many St. Matthews homes get hefty value hikes
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Old 05-05-2016, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR -> Rocky River, OH
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Cleveland has the "A Christmas Story" House...enough said

https://www.facebook.com/AChristmasStoryHouse/
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Old 05-05-2016, 10:42 PM
 
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Indeed, both are fun cities. Cleveland CAN get snow in October though. Very rare if not almost unheard of in Louisville, however.

I think the OP mentioned that he was going to push for Louisville....then in came the Cleveland contingent. Frankly, it doesn't matter where he chooses, but Louisville will be much more unique compared to where they are from.
Cleveland hasn't had snow in October in many years. The earliest accumulations that we've had in recent years was in mid-November. Typically, any longer, there usually are mostly weeks of weather in November and December without snow until after Christmas.

Here is Cleveland's October weather. Note that lows below freezing are very rare.

https://weatherspark.com/averages/29...-United-States
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Old 05-05-2016, 10:52 PM
 
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Louisville matches Cleveland pound for pound, ounce for ounce. I already proved that with my posts of things to do.
In your deluded mind. Louisville is has vastly inferior cultural institutions to Cleveland. It has no pro sports. It has inferior attractions, as someone could quickly verify by reviewing "Things to Do" in tripadvisor.com for each city.

As documented repeatedly, per capita personal income in the Louisville metro is 10 percent lower than in the Cleveland metro. So Louisville is relatively poor compared to Cleveland, and much, much poorer than Chicago.

Cleveland's low cost of living offsets much of the personal income difference with Chicago.
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Old 05-06-2016, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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My post was deleted, but my main point was: Louisville doesn't have pro sports. Period. This was specified by the OP not, not me.
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