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View Poll Results: Preference for?
the Chicago metropolis 120 29.93%
the San Francisco Bay Area 129 32.17%
the Toronto metropolis 57 14.21%
the Washington D.C. metropolis 59 14.71%
Tie 5 1.25%
None of the above 31 7.73%
Voters: 401. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-06-2016, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Population Growth Rate, 2014-2015
San Francisco MSA +1.32%...+60,151
Toronto CMA +1.25%...+76,500
Washington MSA +1.06%...+63,793
Chicago MSA -0.06%...-6,263

Population Growth Rate, 2012-2015
Toronto CMA 4.44%...+261,200
San Francisco MSA +4.34%...+193,707
Washington MSA +3.83%...+225,007
Chicago MSA +0.32%...+30,265
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Old 10-06-2016, 08:19 PM
 
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You actually think premier, world class Cities/MSAs like SF and DC can't compete with Chicago or Toronto?

What a laugh.

Cities Proper by Number of Households Earning $200,000+, 2015
1 New York, NY 268,855
2 Los Angeles, CA 102,826
3 San Francisco, CA 72,792
4 Chicago, IL 70,842
5 Houston, TX 58,649
6 San Jose, CA 52,623
7 San Diego, CA 45,113
8 Washington, DC 41,343
9 Seattle, WA 40,370
10 Dallas, TX 34,440

These cities and CSA's have millions of people living in them and your metric is the 0.xx% or so who make over $200k.

Okay.

You are also the same person who throws out livability rankings and GAWC rankings.

But yes let's see which CSA has 0.xx% of their population earning over $200k. A great metric for ranking cities. Maybe you want to throw in how many people visit the Golden Gate Bridge as well.
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Old 10-06-2016, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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These cities and CSA's have millions of people living in them and your metric is the 200k or so who make over $200k.
Yup. Where do the movers and shakers live. That matters. A lot.

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You are also the same person who throws out livability rankings and GAWC rankings.
No I dont.

And I dont cower to cyberbullies. FYI.
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Old 10-06-2016, 08:44 PM
 
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But yes let's see which CSA has 0.xx% of their population earning over $200k. A great metric for ranking cities.
Why isn't it a great metric to compare relative desirability?

I would think that relative desirability would be best measured by seeing where high income folks choose to live, no?
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Old 10-06-2016, 09:24 PM
 
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Why isn't it a great metric to compare relative desirability?

I would think that relative desirability would be best measured by seeing where high income folks choose to live, no?
There are a lot of millionaires in Chinese cities as well.
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Old 10-06-2016, 09:27 PM
 
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There are a lot of millionaires in Chinese cities as well.
I seriously doubt it. China is very poor, and has relatively few millionaires compared to the U.S.

But yeah, within China, one could compare relative desirability by seeing where the wealthy choose to live. Makes sense to me.
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Old 10-06-2016, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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I couldnt find a statcan stat for 2012 or newer.

Adults With a Bachelor Degree or Higher, 2011
Washington MSA 47.5%
San Francisco MSA 43.7%
Toronto CMA 36.8%
Chicago MSA 33.8%
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Old 10-06-2016, 09:28 PM
 
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I'd put these metropolises all in the same "tier" in terms of stature.
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Old 10-07-2016, 07:37 AM
 
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They're reasonably comparable at MSA level. Chicago MSA has a larger economy than DC and SF MSAs, but not by much. DC could have a larger economy by MSA in the fairly recent future.

Let's be honest- you prefer MSA because, for Chicago, MSA and CSA makes no difference, but for SF and DC, it makes a huge difference. MSA allows you to compare Chicago at its max size to SF and DC at a truncated size.

In 2015, Chicago's MSA GDP is around 640 billion, DC's MSA GDP around 491 billion, SF's MSA GDP around 432 billion.
CSAs can become greatly distorted and undeniably inflate numbers. We all understand there are criteria that must be met, but that doesn't mean much. Isn't there talk of changing the methodology used to arrive at these numbers?

Is Baltimore really a bigger "city" than Chicago? Sure, it's in a region that is comparable in size, but it's not the same. The spheres of influence and localized cultures are different. Drive 60 miles north, south, or west of Chicago and people will tell you they are from Chicago. Drive 50 miles south of SF and people will tell you they are from SJ. Drive 20 miles south of Baltimore and people say they're from DC. Chicago's MSA will continue to be significantly larger than the combined MSAs of DC+Baltimore and SF+SJ. The UA will continue to be much larger. There's a reason this isn't news...because it doesn't mean anything. I know some don't like to hear that Milwaukee and Chicago are going to merge into one CSA, but the same will apply then. People living north of Racine (or even Kenosha) aren't going to say they're from Chicago or the Chicago-Milwaukee CSA. They're going to continue to say they're from Milwaukee.
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Old 10-07-2016, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Land of the Free
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The market value of companies HQ'd in the Bay Area is nearly 5 trillion, most in the world for any metro. New York doesn't even match that. Moreover, its share of U.S. VC has increased from about 35% 15 years ago, to over 50% today. Economically, its far more important to the rest of the country and the world than DC, Chicago, or Toronto. More interesting question is economic significance of LA/Orange vs Bay Area.
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