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My point was is that the sports only have small periods of seasonal overlap, so just because a place has a MLB and NFL team doesn't mean it couldn't also support an NBA or NHL team
There is a limited amount of disposable income in a city though, I guarantee Blues and Cardinals ticket prices will go up, if they haven't already responded to the lack of people spending money on the Rams.
Originally Posted by Howest2008 This is a interesting thread because it allows for all types of ( guessamations ) but action speak's louder than words. Which cities is going to pony up and build ( A NBA Caliber Arena ) for this so called rumored expansion NBA Team , and not become over saturated?
1.Saint Louis MO......MLB.......NHL....could handle the NBA.....
2. Kansas City MO ........NFL.....MLB...MLS....is over saturated.
3. Lost Wages Nut badder.....NHL....NFL.....is over saturated.
4. Pittsburgh PA.....NFL....MLB.....NHL...is over saturated.
5. Baltimore MD......NFL.....could handle the NBA & NHL.
6.Louisville KY......No Billion Dollar Man To Build The Arena.
7. Tidewater/Hampton Roads....Trying can't build an NBA Caliber Arena.
8.Vancouver Canada.....Had NBA Team that no one cared about.
9. Nashville TN....NFL.....NHL...over saturated.
10. Columbus OH.....NHL....could support a NBA team.
11. Tulsa OK....Tulsa Oklahoma would not support anything that wasn't a Museum ...
#2 Kansas City has been trying to get an NBA/NHL team since the Sprint Center was built, as
a matter of fact Kansas City/Oklahoma City/Tulsa Oklahoma all attempted to lure Pittsburgh
NHL Team to town before Pittsburgh broke down and built them a brand new Arena.
Generally being a strong MLS market means the place has entertainment dollars in excess. Hence Portland, KC, and the NFL-less Los Angeles were strong soccer markets. So I think an NBA team would overwhelm the MLS team because the NBA is a better product than the MLS.
Kansas City Missouri has entertainment dollars galore ......MLB World Championship Caliber
Team.....NFL.....Playoff Team....MLS Playoff Team.
That's all that KC can handle at this time....
And add to that the SPRINT CENTER is a WORLD CLASS VENUE top 5 in the WORLD.
One more thing people have to consider is team owners vote on expansion.
I doubt that the Lakers or the Clippers want another team in SoCal, or the 76ers or Wizards want a team in Baltimore.
These new teams would eat into their territory, thus they'd start out with enemies.
That is why Vancouver, KC, or Louisville may have an advantage, they are very far from any NBA team so no other owner would particularly care if someone took that market.
This sort of territorial infighting is a reason Hartford (Bruins, Rangers, Isles, Devils) and QC (Montreal, Toronto, Ottawa) struggle to get NHL teams.
One more thing people have to consider is team owners vote on expansion.
I doubt that the Lakers or the Clippers want another team in SoCal, or the 76ers or Wizards want a team in Baltimore.
These new teams would eat into their territory, thus they'd start out with enemies.
That is why Vancouver, KC, or Louisville may have an advantage, they are very far from any NBA team so no other owner would particularly care if someone took that market.
This sort of territorial infighting is a reason Hartford (Bruins, Rangers, Isles, Devils) and QC (Montreal, Toronto, Ottawa) struggle to get NHL teams.
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One more thing people have to consider is team owners vote on expansion.
I doubt that the Lakers or the Clippers want another team in SoCal, or the 76ers or Wizards want a team in Baltimore.
These new teams would eat into their territory, thus they'd start out with enemies.
That is why Vancouver, KC, or Louisville may have an advantage, they are very far from any NBA team so no other owner would particularly care if someone took that market.
This sort of territorial infighting is a reason Hartford (Bruins, Rangers, Isles, Devils) and QC (Montreal, Toronto, Ottawa) struggle to get NHL teams.
Hartford and Quebec City had teams, they just moved to Raleigh and Denver respectively
One thing to note is that the NBA likes to locate teams in emerging major metropolitan areas where there's less competition for sports dollars. This is why Orlando, Memphis, Oklahoma City, San Antonio, Salt Lake City (Utah), Sacramento and Portland have NBA teams, because those cities have no other major professional sports franchises. The NBA also has teams in cities like Charlotte, Indianapolis (Indiana), Milwaukee and New Orleans, which only have one other major professional sports franchise. That's 11 out of 30 NBA teams in cities with little or no competition for sports dollars.
Otherwise, the NBA is found mostly in extra-large metropolitan areas. New York and Los Angeles each have two NBA teams, and Boston, Philadelphia, Washington DC, Atlanta, Miami, Toronto, Detroit, Chicago, Minneapolis (Minnesota), Houston, Dallas, Phoenix and the San Francisco Bay Area (Golden State) each have a team, so now 28 out of 30 NBA teams are accounted for in either emerging or extra-large markets. The only metropolitan areas with less than 3,000,000 people and more than one other major professional sports league aside from the NBA are Denver and Cleveland.
Knowing all this, here's how I'd assess the options above:
Mexico City and Montreal would have currency issues, and Mexico City would also be a culture shock. Vancouver recently lost the Grizzlies to Memphis, and Kansas City lost the Kings to Sacramento. Tampa, Baltimore, Austin and Raleigh are indirectly part of the Orlando, Washington, San Antonio and Charlotte markets, respectively. Pittsburgh is a saturated market with all three other major professional sports leagues present already. Omaha might still be too small to support a major professional sports franchise.
This leaves San Diego, St. Louis, Louisville, Richmond and Virginia Beach/Norfolk as options. Of those, San Diego, St. Louis and Las Vegas strike me as the most realistic. A team in Louisville would possibly infringe on the Indiana Pacers, and a team in Richmond would possibly infringe on the Washington Wizards. A team in the Hampton Roads region probably wouldn't infringe on the Wizards, but it would preclude a team in Richmond.
Not counting the Inland Empire of California, which is indirectly part of the Los Angeles market, San Diego is the second-largest metropolitan area in the U.S. without an NBA team (Seattle), and might soon lose the Chargers to Los Angeles, leaving the Padres as the only competition for sports dollars in a rather large metropolitan area. St. Louis has already lost the Rams to Los Angeles, and is a slightly larger market than Pittsburgh, which has proven capable of supporting three major professional sports teams, so the void created by the Rams' departure could be filled easily by an NBA team. Las Vegas is another viable option as well, though, ironically, the NHL has beaten the NBA to the market.
One more thing people have to consider is team owners vote on expansion.
I doubt that the Lakers or the Clippers want another team in SoCal, or the 76ers or Wizards want a team in Baltimore.
These new teams would eat into their territory, thus they'd start out with enemies.
That is why Vancouver, KC, or Louisville may have an advantage, they are very far from any NBA team so no other owner would particularly care if someone took that market.
This sort of territorial infighting is a reason Hartford (Bruins, Rangers, Isles, Devils) and QC (Montreal, Toronto, Ottawa) struggle to get NHL teams.
Louisville is two hours away from Indy (NFL and NBA), Nashville, (NHL and NFL), and Cincy (NFL and MLB). Louisville is surrounded by professional teams on all sides.
One thing to note is that the NBA likes to locate teams in emerging major metropolitan areas where there's less competition for sports dollars. This is why Orlando, Memphis, Oklahoma City, San Antonio, Salt Lake City (Utah), Sacramento and Portland have NBA teams, because those cities have no other major professional sports franchises. The NBA also has teams in cities like Charlotte, Indianapolis (Indiana), Milwaukee and New Orleans, which only have one other major professional sports franchise.
Well, 3 of those cities (will be 5 in the not-too-distant future) have Major League Soccer, which NOW counts as a major league.
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One thing to note is that the NBA likes to locate teams in emerging major metropolitan areas where there's less competition for sports dollars. This is why Orlando, Memphis, Oklahoma City, San Antonio, Salt Lake City (Utah), Sacramento and Portland have NBA teams, because those cities have no other major professional sports franchises. The NBA also has teams in cities like Charlotte, Indianapolis (Indiana), Milwaukee and New Orleans, which only have one other major professional sports franchise. That's 11 out of 30 NBA teams in cities with little or no competition for sports dollars.
Otherwise, the NBA is found mostly in extra-large metropolitan areas. New York and Los Angeles each have two NBA teams, and Boston, Philadelphia, Washington DC, Atlanta, Miami, Toronto, Detroit, Chicago, Minneapolis (Minnesota), Houston, Dallas, Phoenix and the San Francisco Bay Area (Golden State) each have a team, so now 28 out of 30 NBA teams are accounted for in either emerging or extra-large markets. The only metropolitan areas with less than 3,000,000 people and more than one other major professional sports league aside from the NBA are Denver and Cleveland.
Knowing all this, here's how I'd assess the options above:
Mexico City and Montreal would have currency issues, and Mexico City would also be a culture shock. Vancouver recently lost the Grizzlies to Memphis, and Kansas City lost the Kings to Sacramento. Tampa, Baltimore, Austin and Raleigh are indirectly part of the Orlando, Washington, San Antonio and Charlotte markets, respectively. Pittsburgh is a saturated market with all three other major professional sports leagues present already. Omaha might still be too small to support a major professional sports franchise.
This leaves San Diego, St. Louis, Louisville, Richmond and Virginia Beach/Norfolk as options. Of those, San Diego, St. Louis and Las Vegas strike me as the most realistic. A team in Louisville would possibly infringe on the Indiana Pacers, and a team in Richmond would possibly infringe on the Washington Wizards. A team in the Hampton Roads region probably wouldn't infringe on the Wizards, but it would preclude a team in Richmond.
Not counting the Inland Empire of California, which is indirectly part of the Los Angeles market, San Diego is the second-largest metropolitan area in the U.S. without an NBA team (Seattle), and might soon lose the Chargers to Los Angeles, leaving the Padres as the only competition for sports dollars in a rather large metropolitan area. St. Louis has already lost the Rams to Los Angeles, and is a slightly larger market than Pittsburgh, which has proven capable of supporting three major professional sports teams, so the void created by the Rams' departure could be filled easily by an NBA team. Las Vegas is another viable option as well, though, ironically, the NHL has beaten the NBA to the market.
San Antonio and Indianapolis were two of the 4 ABA teams that got to go to the NBA after the buyout in 76. (The other two were Denver and New Jersey), don't know if the Spurs or the Pacers would have existed otherwise
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