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Btw, your graph shows that population isn't declining but that population increases have been declining for most of the 26 years. So the rate of increase in pop. in chicago is declining.
And Toronto really isn't a pretty city and I'm a native of the city so I know it well. No demands are placed on developers to improve the outward appearance of the buildings they put up. The nice buildings we had in the past were unceremoniously torn down without a thought or a whimper in the name of 'progress'. Many of the structures that are put up are sponsored by a bunch of pencil necked pension funds whose only concern is maximising financial return; any 'frills' that might cost an extra penny or two are probably nixed at the design stage. We have impoverished and pathetic public spaces that are often poorly planned, layed out and/or maintained then are surprised when visitors comment on the city's poor appearance. Cognitive dissonance much?...lol.
Cincinnati OH looks nicer, for crying out loud.
The new South Core downtown makes me shake my head in dismay every time I have the misfortune of being there. What a wasted opportunity smh.
Note your fellow Torontonians are TOTALLY IGNORING YOUR POST. The rest of us certainly are not surprised at why. At least they don't get all "How dare you say such things on Toronto" ? The rest of us, they are all over us and posting declining Chicago post over and over. But nothing posted to down Chicago for? Helps raise Toronto's image, opinions of others about it this city they see and know, but ready to declare Toronto surpassed Chicago enough to declare it has a superior global status in enough aspects giving Chicago's other issues to? To decade SOME WIN?
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Originally Posted by edwardsyzzurphands
I agree with much of Mr. Burns post. The excuses made for Chicago's crime problems are ridiculous and anyone who tries to sugar coat it is not being honest with themselves. Of course using this crime problem to win an argument is also equally as disgusting, considering these are actual people's lives we are talking about here.
One part I do personally take issue with is the statement that the Toronto Police Services are not corrupt. The TPS cards (Canadian version of Stop n Frisk/Indentify) people of colour at a higher rate than any other police department in the US than NYC. Police involved shootings in Toronto since 93 involve racialised people 76% of the time and Black victims 38% in a city that is only 9% black.
I personally have been carded multiple times, being identified as a gang member even though I have no police record and have lived a very productive life. It just so happens that I am black, so put two and two together.
If we want Chicago supporters to be honest about their issues then us as Former/Current Torontonians should do the same.
I'm sure we can recognize this might happen in many US cities to small towns. But for others to keep bringing up Chicago's gangland Black on Black murders as it is statistically the VAST amount of murders happen in highly African American neighborhoods. Because statistics show this. If White of non-Black in ethnicity. In Chicago your chance of
Being shot to murdered? Is in single digits %. Sadly statistics show this. I surely understand though you feeling targeted differently because of appearing Black in Chicago outside totally African-American neighborhoods.
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Originally Posted by mrjun18
It seems you don't know what crime is. And you probably still don't know what decline is either after all these posts.
"Shoddy construction" yet tens of thousands of people move into these Toronto condos and other homes annually. Meanwhile Chicago is LOSING population. Its rapidly declining in Public School enrollment and so on. I dont know how you can compare the two.
Yes they buy and find issues arise and they have NOTHING TO HELP THEM but to repair issues on their own as they arise. Especially as Condo's most are. Those who got their profits are no longer invested in it. The investors from even other nations, got their profits and moved on.
Chicago has strict building codes and Union builders do play the main builders there. It adds cost but also generally better workmanship all desire. BUT THIS ALONE DOES NOT MAKE TORONTO A INFERIOR CITY TO OTHERS? EVEN CHICAGO.
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Originally Posted by Enean
When can this be enough, people. The repetition is inane.
The same rhetoric in page after page. These couple Torontonians. May as well repost previous post? So many are basically the same. Chicago in decline, rampant crime, loosing stature. IT'S THE TRINITY OF A CITY IN THE SEWER and nothing in positives trump this "Trinity of damnation", "fall, and failure". THEIR TRINITY OF CHICAGO'S TRAITS VS. TORONTO'S ? THEREFORE TORONTO SHOULD WIN HERE AND A TOTAL RIGHT TO DECLARING TORONTO THE SUPERIOR CITY.
There is no compromising this win on ANY POSITIVES OTHERS SHOW.
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When can this be enough, people. The repetition is inane.
Again, they decade a Win and the anti-Chicago a city TOTALLY IN DECLINE VS. TORONTO THEY DO NO COMPROMISING ON.
IT'S BAAACK. THE NEW DEATH DECLARED IN TORONTO. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBsCZXyTAA
Sorry Chicago. Your a failure to these Torontonians. THESE DARK CLOUDS ARE YOUR FUTURE.
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He clearly said "decline in population, influence, power, societal health, etc"....but you are pretending he only said "decline in population"? Are you sure you are not the one acting like your dog and focusing on just one thing (the bone)? It seems so.
Also, yes, a "200% increase in gun crime" is bad sign for Toronto. But your "stats" are a bit outdated.
"Fatal shootings in Toronto have increased 200 per cent in the first four months of this year as compared to the same time last year, police statistics reveal.
In the first four months of 2016, the figures show there were 18 homicides involving guns, compared to six fatal shootings by this time in 2015.
There has also been a 100 per cent increase in the number of homicides so far this year, with 28 recorded up until May 2.
Bad? Yes... but things are not as bad since "the first four month in the year".
Shooting deaths were up 200%.
As of Nov 14, 2016? Shootings involving death in Toronto are up 57% from the same time last year. An increase yes, but not the 200% as indicated back in May of this year. https://www.torontopolice.on.ca/stat.../ytd_stats.php
Shall we look up Chicago's shooting and death statistics and compare the increases and the actual totals between the two cities?
Also if this is "bad" for Toronto, then what do we call Chicago's shooting and homicide statistics in comparison?
Catastrophic? Embarrassing? Outrageous? A Crisis?
Your whole tone is so nasty and condescending in almost every post.
Actually I just mentioned crime because it is the main thing you guys have said the most.
Look who is downplaying an increase of 57% as if its nothing!
My point was the smae as what you both have said about Chicago.Its NOT just the increase in crime in Toronto.Its ALSO major corruption in the police department going back for years.
Carding is so bad.When you cant trust the police,for fear of being set up with drugs that are not yours,thats scary stuff.
Especially when it effects mostly one racial group.What good is diversity if you dont treat people the same?
Chicago is segregated for sure I dont worry about police pulling me over for no reason.
BTW you keep bringing up budget woes of Chicago but almost every city in America is STRUGGLING at some point to fix its pension situation.Atlanta dealt with and now they have surplus.
Based on your own article it loooks like the finances are improving.Another sign that a city is not in decline.
Your whole tone is so nasty and condescending in almost every post.
Actually I just mentioned crime because it is the main thing you guys have said the most.
Look who is downplaying an increase of 57% as if its nothing!
My point was the smae as what you both have said about Chicago.Its NOT just the increase in crime in Toronto.Its ALSO major corruption in the police department going back for years.
Carding is so bad.When you cant trust the police,for fear of being set up with drugs that are not yours,thats scary stuff.
Especially when it effects mostly one racial group.What good is diversity if you dont treat people the same?
Chicago is segregated for sure I dont worry about police pulling me over for no reason.
BTW you keep bringing up budget woes of Chicago but almost every city in America is STRUGGLING at some point to fix its pension situation.Atlanta dealt with and now they have surplus.
Based on your own article it loooks like the finances are improving.Another sign that a city is not in decline.
You: "Look who is downplaying an increase of 57% as if its nothing!"
Me: "Also, yes, a "200% increase in gun crime" is bad sign for Toronto."
Where am I "downplaying" anything? Do you not read posts? Or just skim through?
If you are mentioning crime, what's wrong with a reply post that also mentions crime? I have also mentioned the Chicago public school system, population decline, etc. but I dont see any comments on those.
As for corruption, every police force has it's bad apples. none of these cities in this thread are an exception. But some police forces are much worse than others. Let's not act as if Toronto's police force is more corrupt than Chicago's. That's the point being made here. Isn't the justice department investigating the CPD? Are there not more police involved shooting in Chicago (which mainly affect minorities)? Thank god I don't have worry about randomly being shot for no reason, and/or having it covered up.
That great for Atlanta fixing it's budget situation. But Atlanta is not Chicago.
[quote=mrjun18;46253777]You: "Look who is downplaying an increase of 57% as if its nothing!"
Me: "Also, yes, a "200% increase in gun crime" is bad sign for Toronto."
Where am I "downplaying" anything? Do you not read posts? Or just skim through?
If you are mentioning crime, what's wrong with a reply post that also mentions crime? I have also mentioned the Chicago public school system, population decline, etc. but I dont see any comments on those.
As for corruption, every police force has it's bad apples. none of these cities in this thread are an exception. But some police forces are much worse than others. Let's not act as if Toronto's police force is more corrupt than Chicago's. That's the point being made here. Isn't the justice department investigating the CPD? Are there not more police involved shooting in Chicago (which mainly affect minorities)? Thank god I don't have worry about randomly being shot for no reason, and/or having it covered up.
That great for Atlanta fixing it's budget situation. But Atlanta is not Chicago.[/quote] Can you see a Toronto vs. Atlanta thread? Seeing just how BAD the Toronto vs. San Francisco thread went. YOU AND Mr Burns POST THERE TOO I BELIEVE. YOU GUYS LITERALLY trashed the city as dirt and Homeless HOMELESS EVERYWHERE To posting a picture of a hill scene of SF Homes as UGLY.
THESE POST WERE TAME ONES THREAD GOT CLOSED FINALLY SO CAN'T USE QUOTES. Toronto vs. San Francisco. SOME OF THE SAME RHTERIC USED TO BOLSTER TORONTO BETTER THEN SF.
**. So I would expect they would PUT ALL USA CITIES IN THEIR PLACE... **.
**Post #302 in that thread excerpt.
by mrjn18.
I was in the area. Saw various tourist attractions. Most of them didn't impress me. So as I was near Lombard St, I decided to check it out.
As for BART.... 10-20 minute intervals between trains as hilarious. Meanwhile in Toronto, you wait 4-5 minutes max, and 1-2 minutes during rush hours.
The world cities index charts.... I'm not surprised to see Toronto ranked highly at #13, while SF does not rank in the top 20 at all.
But its cool for SF to be at the top for the "outlook" chart. Its a cool chart, but
********>>>>(((((((anything can happen in the coming years. Remember the dot-come bubble? ))))))<<<<********
**Note this comment above and remember, WHEN YOU POINT ONE FINGER AT ANOTHER. YOU HAVE 4 RIGHT BACK AT YOU.
Toronto and Vancouver are ranked in the top 5... on the planet.
SF????? With all that GDP, tech jobs, and Netflix headquarters, the orange bridge and all that has been mentioned in previous posts.... I did not see SF listed in the top 10 that was listed. I guess the city is just not as livable people think. People do want to go there and take pictures, but to live there? Probably not. Ask the thousands of homeless people or the people paying $3000 in rent to live with 10 roommates.
I tried to do a search for SF on that page of most livable cities, and all I found was this:
"Increased instability over the past year has caused a drop in the score of nearly a fifth of the 140 cities surveyed (see chart, below). Ten of these cities are in western Europe, notably Paris, which has suffered multiple terrorist attacks. Some American cities, including Atlanta, San Francisco and Chicago have also dropped down the rankings after spikes in civil unrest."
^Yikes. I'm sure someone will reply back with "Twitter headquarters", "rolling hills" (lol), how many people visited the GG bridge and $XXX GDP.
***another post by mrjin18 #285.
LOL! These GDP numbers are constantly posted. But they mean nothing to me. How is this going to benefit me in life?
That's at the bottom of the list when I think of city, things like urban living, public transit, livability. cost of living, safety etc are what I care about. Things that Toronto does better than SF at.
Video games can be set anywhere. Real cities, fictional cities, small towns, big towns.
There are always posts that try to change the subject and talk about irrelevant topics.
I'm not surprised SF's well known homeless problem was brought up, yet the SF peeps were either quiet or changed the subject when that was mentioned. Not even a top 10 populated in the country but ranks #2 in homelessness.
***another. Post #1703.
THANKS FOR NOTING THIS mrjun18.
You kind of got it, but let me break it down.
With GO Transit, there are the 7 or so rail lines, and the GO bus service which act as "imaginary lines" to make up for the lines that were not built or are not built yet.
I'm aware of Chicagoland's multiple transit systems in the city and the suburbs and the same goes for Toronto.
The equivalents for the two cities would go as follows:
-Metra (rail) = GO Transit (rail + bus lines).
-CTA (bus/subway) = TTC (bus/subway/streetcars).
-Pace (south/west/north outer Chicago suburbs) = Mississauga/Brampton Transit (west outer Toronto suburbs), York Region Transit/Viva (north outer Toronto suburbs), Durham Region Transit (east outer Toronto suburbs).
The same way Pace has routes from the suburbs that connect to parts of the city of Chicago itself, the Toronto suburban transit equivalents that I listed above do the same.
Also just like how the CTA does have some routes that serve a bit outside the boundaries of the city of Chicago into the suburbs, the TTC does the same as well.
You: "Look who is downplaying an increase of 57% as if its nothing!"
Me: "Also, yes, a "200% increase in gun crime" is bad sign for Toronto."
Where am I "downplaying" anything? Do you not read posts? Or just skim through?
If you are mentioning crime, what's wrong with a reply post that also mentions crime? I have also mentioned the Chicago public school system, population decline, etc. but I dont see any comments on those.
As for corruption, every police force has it's bad apples. none of these cities in this thread are an exception. But some police forces are much worse than others. Let's not act as if Toronto's police force is more corrupt than Chicago's. That's the point being made here. Isn't the justice department investigating the CPD? Are there not more police involved shooting in Chicago (which mainly affect minorities)? Thank god I don't have worry about randomly being shot for no reason, and/or having it covered up.
That great for Atlanta fixing it's budget situation. But Atlanta is not Chicago.
NYC fixed itself also when it went bankrupt TWICE in the 80's?90's
Every police force has bad apples but not to the extent of Toronto/This has been going on for years.Planting draugs happen by SEVERAL cops in Toronyto over a period of years.
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Are there not more police involved shooting in Chicago (which mainly affect minorities)? Thank god I don't have worry about randomly being shot for no reason, and/or having it covered up.
You are living in La La land believing its no worse.I have many black Canadian friends all acrosss Canada and as long as I have been coming to Canada going back 20 years,the Canadian police and customs agents are something Ive heard the worst stories about.
There is more than enough evidence to suggest that Toronto's department is worse than Chicago when it comes to racial profiling and corruption.
In true Canadian denial,its only now being talked about on a large scale because of whats happening on the U.S.
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The recent police killing of Andrew Loku, a 45-year-old black man of South Sudanese heritage, has prolonged an appalling trend in Toronto since the late 1980s. Black people account for at least half of all people killed by police during that time, even though we’ve made up less than 10 per cent of the population.
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In August of 1988, David Deviney of the Metro Toronto police (now the Toronto Police Service) shot and killed Lester Donaldson, a 44-year-old black man who had been diagnosed with schizophrenia, and had a history of violent police encounters. Deviney was one of five officers who entered Donaldson’s room in a rooming house and confronted him for 20 minutes. Donaldson produced a paring knife and Deviney shot him.
When the province decided to lay manslaughter charges against Deviney, hundreds of officers staged a day of impromptu sit-ins in their patrol cars, and many left their weapons at home in protest. Art Lymer, the spokesperson for the police association of the day, warned that his officers ''are going to be reluctant to arrest black people, and they'll just take over the city.'' Deviney was ultimately acquitted of manslaughter.
I'm sure we can recognize this might happen in many US cities to small towns. But for others to keep bringing up Chicago's gangland Black on Black murders as it is statistically the VAST amount of murders happen in highly African American neighborhoods. Because statistics show this. If White of non-Black in ethnicity. In Chicago your chance of
Being shot to murdered? Is in single digits %. Sadly statistics show this. I surely understand though you feeling targeted differently because of appearing Black in Chicago outside totally African-American neighborhoods
Let me start by saying that I have never felt uncomfortable in Chicago on my numerous visits to the city. Not one close call or scary incident, despite being in the demographic that is at most risk of being shot in chiacgo. With that said being a part of that demographic racially means I have a difficult time separating shooting statistics by race. A shooting victim is a shooting victim at the end of the day and it may even have a greater impact on me because the victims tend to overwhelmingly look like me.
Chicago is not a terrible city because of this, but it is a great city with a terrible problem. I would like people to acknowledge that because the numbers are unacceptable.
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The rest of us, they are all over us and posting declining Chicago post over and over. 
But nothing posted to down Chicago for? Helps raise Toronto's image, opinions of others about it this city they see and know, but ready to declare Toronto surpassed Chicago enough to declare it has a superior global status in enough aspects giving Chicago's other issues to? To decade SOME WIN? 
YOU GUYS LITERALLY trashed the city as dirt and Homeless HOMELESS EVERYWHERE To posting a picture of a hill scene of SF Homes as UGLY. 