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Now it's flipped. A good eclectic city neighborhood, popular with young people, but less density with a hilly topography however very livable, nice homes on tree lined streets.
Hopefully this is a fair equivalent - here you have a popular residential neighborhood with young professionals, with a healthy commercial corridor, more density, lots of cafes, restaurants, big homes, tree lined streets.
These are the central areas of the highest earning towns for each city in suburbia. Not much to say but I would argue Pittsford is more homey" while Manlius has a pass-through vibe.
That shot of Downtown Syracuse is the Armory Square district. This is probably more of a similar shot of Downtown Syracuse on its eastern half to the Downtown Rochester shot: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0486...2i37?entry=ttu
Westcott makes sense in terms of the "vibe", but is more like a streetcar style neighborhood than Park Ave. Franklin Square, a former industrial area turned mixed use neighborhood just NW of Downtown may be similar in terms of having more of a young professional presence, though Downtown Syracuse has its share as well: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0569...8192?entry=ttu
It's interesting. One side of my family is actually native to Syracuse/Central New York going back several generations. They moved to Rochester in the 1980s (before I was born) for employment opportunities. Well... my Syracuse family has absolutely nothing positive to say about that city.
Personally, I have visited numerous times over the years for the state fair and other events. I didn't think it was THAT bad. The downtown area is more vibrant than Rochester's, which is a travesty that says a lot about Rochester, but Syracuse has a nice core with Clinton Square. Good density and the university presence brings that active feeling.
Overall you're correct that the region is not as vibrant or well maintained, however. I have found CNY to have more of a "rural" culture if that makes sense. Rochester's city neighborhoods outside of downtown are significantly denser and more lively. It's a pretty clean city too. There is more wealth in the suburbs of Rochester as well, which is noticeable as you get further into southeastern Monroe County and into Ontario County. You can still feel the legacy of the corporate innovation economy.
Rochester and Buffalo have a Western New York rivalry. The general consensus is usually that Buffalo is the superior city while Rochester is the superior metro. It comes down to urban vs. suburban lifestyle.
Syracuse can be added to the mix because the 3 cities together form the core of the Upstate New York population/cultural center. The Capital Region is usually excluded from these comparisons due to the state government presence and closer ties to NYC.
Spot on. You explained my experience in the 2 cities better than I could have!
I think the more rural aspect may come from the fact that south of the city of Syracuse, you only have a small suburb(Nedrow) and the Onondaga Nation. So, you can’t develop too much directly south of the city for that reason and contributes to the more rural feel south of the city. Outside of that, there is suburbia on every other side.
Also, the city’s inner North Side is arguably the most culturally diverse area in Upstate NY(Buffalo’s West Side, parts of Utica’s East Side and a few others are up there). 7 Northside — Tomorrow's Neighborhoods Today
Syracuse’s geographic setting is more handsome, as I find really green/heavily treed areas a bit boring. I could go anywhere and see that, it’s just not that distinctive and I could kind of be anywhere and see effectively the same thing or something similar. However, throw in hills and it’s a different story. There are some areas of Syracuse’s downtown which have a tragic amount of parking lots, but Rochester’s downtown isn’t “friendly” or homey it definitely has a business feel more than a destination. I’m not that familiar with Syracuse on the whole though, as I’ve only been there once and passed through it two other times. My impression is that both areas are fairly equivalent though not exactly the same. If I had time, I wouldn’t mind exploring Syracuse more, although I wish the main link weren’t a toll road which definitely discouraged me from going there.
Syracuse’s geographic setting is more handsome, as I find really green/heavily treed areas a bit boring. I could go anywhere and see that, it’s just not that distinctive and I could kind of be anywhere and see effectively the same thing or something similar. However, throw in hills and it’s a different story. There are some areas of Syracuse’s downtown which have a tragic amount of parking lots, but Rochester’s downtown isn’t “friendly” or homey it definitely has a business feel more than a destination. I’m not that familiar with Syracuse on the whole though, as I’ve only been there once and passed through it two other times. My impression is that both areas are fairly equivalent though not exactly the same. If I had time, I wouldn’t mind exploring Syracuse more, although I wish the main link weren’t a toll road which definitely discouraged me from going there.
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