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Old 04-10-2019, 07:41 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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I think it would be beneficial to see the trends before and after the hurricane. Not sure if it would be actual slowing or just a return to normal trends.
No, these numbers are from 2017-2018 this is the one that shows the hurricane victims. For the entire state it looks like it'll be almost the same growth from the year before. So I predict it'll be +60,000 for Orlando.
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Old 04-10-2019, 09:06 PM
 
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Calling it now:

Baltimore and Milwaukee will fall even more than normal.
I don't disagree that Baltimore City will have a terrible Census estimate for 2018, probably a loss of 7,500 people. It is interesting that housing completions in 2018 were the the best since the 1960's at around 2,750 units placed in service. Also, Census and city stats for vacancy show steady or declining vacancy. Assuming vacancy is steady, a population loss of 7,500, and housing production is 2,750, average household size will decline by over 2% again in 2018. Household size declines of over well over 2% per year are extraordinary and hard to fathom. Does it make sense that Baltimore City would need to produce over 6,000 housing units per year just to hold its population steady?
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Old 04-11-2019, 07:03 AM
 
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Atlanta would have to add almost 120k to reach 6m this year. I doubt that will happen, but it will definitely blow by that mark in '20.
Yeah Atlanta MSA won't hit 6 million until next year, growth has slowed but we will see. Adding 120K is not impossible. The Atlanta-Athens CSA is also at 6.5-6.6 million right now before the update. It may get close to 7 million around 2020 but will probably be 200-300K below it.
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Old 04-11-2019, 09:10 AM
 
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The OMB usually makes a few changes to MSA definitions every five years.
Looks like the 2018 redefinition was only slight:

New Definitions Released for Metropolitan Statistical Areas and Divisions | NAHB Now | The News Blog of the National Association of Home Builders
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Old 04-11-2019, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Louisville
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The OMB usually makes a few changes to MSA definitions every five years.
Looks like the 2018 redefinition was only slight:

New Definitions Released for Metropolitan Statistical Areas and Divisions | NAHB Now | The News Blog of the National Association of Home Builders
So they are changing the name for my MSA from Grand Rapids -Wyoming, to Grand Rapids-Kentwood. Wyoming is still the 2nd largest city in Western Michigan (eclipsing Kalamazoo in the last couple years). I assume they are making the name change because Kentwood is a bigger commuter draw than Wyoming? It didn't seem clear based on the wording of the article.
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Old 04-11-2019, 10:49 AM
 
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So they are changing the name for my MSA from Grand Rapids -Wyoming, to Grand Rapids-Kentwood. Wyoming is still the 2nd largest city in Western Michigan (eclipsing Kalamazoo in the last couple years). I assume they are making the name change because Kentwood is a bigger commuter draw than Wyoming? It didn't seem clear based on the wording of the article.
It's not always just population. Does Kentwood have a bigger economic draw than Wyoming?

In Houston, the Woodlands is not even an incorporated city and it and Sugarland are not the second or third largest cities in the metro (Pasadena is still the second largest and League City is the third).
If in remembering correctly Sugar Land would be 4th and the Woodlands if it was a city would be 5th.
Yet Woodlands gets 2nd billing Sugarland gets 3rd.

The Woodlands and Sugarland are both principal cities because they are high economic areas.
Huge corporate campuses, such as that of Exxon, Chevron Philips Chemical, Kroger, Baker Hughes, Halliburton... ).
Sugarland is home to a couple of Fortune 500 companies.
Pasadena, although 50% larger, is not as large an economic engine.
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Old 04-15-2019, 04:50 PM
 
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Sacramento will pass Pittsburgh I think unless this estimate is really good for Pittsburgh.
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Old 04-15-2019, 05:33 PM
 
Location: West Seattle
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The OMB usually makes a few changes to MSA definitions every five years.
Looks like the 2018 redefinition was only slight:

New Definitions Released for Metropolitan Statistical Areas and Divisions | NAHB Now | The News Blog of the National Association of Home Builders
Why was it Chicago-Naperville-Arlington Heights before, and why is it Chicago-Naperville-Evanston now? The last city was previously Elgin, which made a lot more sense than either of those since it's (1) a lot bigger and (2) not an inner-ring suburb but more of a sub-regional center.
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Old 04-15-2019, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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I'm curious to see how the continued, and newer, "booming metros" are doing with this year's estimates.

Nashville
*red hot "it" boom city now. Will it pass 2 million, or is that not until 2020?
Austin
*should pass Kansas City and Cincinnati
Denver
*metro should be close to 3 million
Dallas-Ft Worth
*growth still unbelievable. Curious to see where it is now, as they continue the push to 8 million by 2025

Atlanta
*Should be a hair under 6 million--we will see
San Antonio
*The strong surge will most likely continue. Neck and neck with Orlando and Charlotte metros...interesting to track
Phoenix
*Should be around 4.85 million or so. May hit 5 million in 2020?
Las Vegas
*Growth slowed a bit but still strong. Will they pass Pittsburgh?
Houston
*hot on Dallas-Ft Worth's heels but still down about 500k. Will they pass 7 million in this new release of numbers?
DFW should pass 8 million sometime within the next few years if growth continues like it's been.
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Old 04-15-2019, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Land of the Free
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DFW, which started the decade 3 million behind Chicago, closes the gap to just under 2 million.
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